Highcost builder
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 posted on 27/10/02 at 01:00 PM |
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SVA TEST/ REGISTRATION
Ok then im ready to go what do i need to do.
I need to know how to get a chassis no and what the process is with booking the sva/registering the car afterwards.
this is for the people who have done it already and know!
Thanks in advance for your help.
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 27/10/02 at 01:14 PM |
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contact your local vro,they arange for you to take the car to their place to check engine no,take all your bills in some sort of order,they will send
by post a chassis no.
when you got that get car mot,d using chassis no(stamped/engraved onto chassis rail and stamped onto a riveted plate),then hand over a sack of cash
and apply for test.good luck!
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Highcost builder
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| posted on 27/10/02 at 07:53 PM |
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ok thanks whats the rules on driving it to the mot shop and sva centre
How did you do it (PTM) your web site doesnt say and you didnt have number plates on.
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Highcost builder
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| posted on 27/10/02 at 08:23 PM |
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is it perhaps a northern thing?
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 27/10/02 at 09:12 PM |
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you will have to trailer it to the vro,when you get a chassis no fitted you can drive it to an mot station if you have insurance and it is pre
booked,make sure its written in the book!,make cardboard no plates using chassis no as no plates,you also use this method to drive to the sva
station.hth and good luck.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 27/10/02 at 10:32 PM |
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as an interesting aside to this, I have seen alternative views. Some are unbelievable, and I dont condone them.
1. Make up a vin. just do something like the robin hood builders do. They put ROBINHOOD as the first letters, with their kit invoice number after it
to make 17 characters. Yes, its stupid, yes its unbeleivable, yes its against the system, but that is what they do. Look on
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/robinhood2b if you doubt my sanity.
2. I have heard that you can just drive your unregistered un chassis numbered car to inspection. "I was invited to drive it here for inspection
therefore it must be ok" was another pretty crap idea from robin hood drivers. I was seen as a bit of a nanny saying that would not hold up when plod
issues you a ticket.
3. This one is probably true - you dont need number plates of any kind when going to the sva. As long as your car has insurance and a unique VIN and
is going to a SVA test.
4. There is a debate as to if a kit car needs an mot on first registration. I would advocate it does, as again, explain that to plod at the side of
the road. It also gives you a chance to shake down the car on the road prior to sva. A couple miles to an mot centre might save a disaster on a 40
mile trip to the sva centre.
atb
steve
btw - you have to write to your VRO for an application for a vin, and to DVLA for the SVA application. I have had both forms here for months - no harm
in hoping!
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Peteff
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| posted on 28/10/02 at 11:27 AM |
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When I got my vin the inspector was coming to look at the car to prove it's existence but he was busy so he just sent the number, so the car was
registered for sva, but I had it mot'd first. It failed the first two so I had to keep going back for retests, minor problems, but I have heard
that the sva certificate qualifies as a test but the vro kept that so I can't see how that works.
yours, Pete.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 28/10/02 at 06:58 PM |
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you need an mot cert for a tax disc,mrs jobsworth wont belive you if you try telling her bout a MAC that you cant produce.
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Liam
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| posted on 28/10/02 at 08:43 PM |
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I'm certain my mate got on the road with no MOT. Not sure how he did it mind.
About the bills though - what bills do the VRO need and how strict are they about it? Reason I ask is that I lost a folder of car gubbins ages ago
containing, among other things, my early receipts. Unfortunately this included reciepts for my donor car, steel and engine . Most of these were
just hand written on bits of paper with words to the effect of "Received from 'Mr A' on 'date x' one sierra XR4x4" etc etc and signed. I was
thinking about just getting people with different handwriting to write them again - would I get away with it. Unfortunately I also lost any contact
details for the donor car person so I can't get him to write me another receipt (and he wasn't the previous registered keeper either). Dunno about
the steel receipt cos that was a proper printed invoice.
Any thoughts?
Cheers
Liam
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paulbeyer
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| posted on 28/10/02 at 11:13 PM |
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Liam, it sounds like you're up poo creek in a barbed wire canoe with tennis racquets as paddles, but then I could be wrong.
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Viper
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| posted on 28/10/02 at 11:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by paulbeyer
Liam, it sounds like you're up poo creek in a barbed wire canoe with tennis racquets as paddles, but then I could be wrong.
surely that only aplies if you want a non Q plate??
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Liam
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| posted on 29/10/02 at 09:59 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by paulbeyer
Liam, it sounds like you're up poo creek in a barbed wire canoe with tennis racquets as paddles, but then I could be wrong.
Damn - should have paid attention in my swimming lessons.
Speaking of Q-plates, I was told by someone building a Pilgrim Sumo that he was advised (by Pilgrim) to transfer his doner engine (a big V8) into his
donor Sierra, on paper only of course. Apparently Pilgrim regularly have log books passing throught their hands for 4 or 5 litre Sierras! The idea
is that this helps avoid a Q-plate if it appears you have a single donor.
Can you really get away with that? All I have heard is that if you try and put a smaller engine (say a bike engine) in your Sierra (on paper), and
you hence change the taxation class of the vehicle, then they will ask for photographic evidence of the engine swap so combat tax fraud.
Anyone have any thoughts on this? I'd be changing my 2.8 Sierra to a 2.7 so no difference in tax, but would they really accept that my engine is
part of the original donor car and give me points for it on that points scheme thingy. At least it doesn't say Honda on it.
Liam
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Macca
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| posted on 29/10/02 at 12:15 PM |
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Once bought a Landrover that had a 9999cc engine, according to the logbook!
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MK9R
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| posted on 29/10/02 at 01:00 PM |
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Just make all your receipts up. Who will ever check??
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 29/10/02 at 07:35 PM |
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mrs jobsworth checked my receipts so if you lost them just say" lost them" or try to borrow some from someone else,you get them back.
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interestedparty
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| posted on 29/10/02 at 07:59 PM |
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A lot of businesses issue receipts which they have printed themselves on a "ink jet" printer, whatever that is. I think they need a computer to make
the printer work. Apparently some computers can make the printer do all sorts of different typefaces too!
John
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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Viper
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| posted on 29/10/02 at 08:21 PM |
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Q plate
Liam......aren't you building your own chassis? i thought i read somewhere if its a home built chassis ie no manufacturers vin plate then you end up
witha Q anyway and i thought you only needed a pile of reciepts if you wanted a new reg so the reciepts would prove that all of the components were
new (except one reconditioned component9 reconditioned to a new spec))
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Viper
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| posted on 29/10/02 at 08:26 PM |
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Q plate again
take a look at this site,
http://www.dvla.gov.uk/vehicles/regrebil.htm
does this help?
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bsilly
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| posted on 29/10/02 at 08:32 PM |
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looks like a Q for you
mainly digger drivin me
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 29/10/02 at 10:13 PM |
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as long as you can show that your chassis is new, and that the engine and gearbox and most main items come from a single donor, YOU WILL get an age
related plate.
DONT get confused with the 8 point score system - it does not apply to the category a locost fits in.
Just take a look at locosts on other web sites - do you see a lot of Q plates. No - didnt think so.
atb
steve
PS
as an example, look at this one :
http://www.christopher.gibbons.btinternet.co.uk/
Its apparently got a japanese bike engine in it, and a stainless steel fuel tank
[Edited on 29/10/02 by stephen_gusterson]
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Liam
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| posted on 31/10/02 at 12:03 AM |
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So - looking at the DVLA link Viper posted, the Locost is in category D - Kit Conversions. That's what I thought and I guess it must be if so many
Locosts have age-related plates. The only slightly confusing thing is that it says the chassis comes from 'a specialist kit manufacturer'. Does
that mean we all count as specialist kit manafacturers or will nice VRO people overlook that exact wording and put us in category D cos it's the
closest to where a Locost fits. Is this where the confusion lies and why we hear stories of different VROs interpreting the rules diffently?
With that in mind - if I finish my car, go along to my local VRO and Mrs Jobsworth says "nope - that's a 'radically altered vehicle' - and you
dont get 8 points so it's a Q-plate", and it's maybe a bad day and I can't convince her otherwise, can I say "Forget about it matey - I know my
car should be considered as a 'kit conversion' - I'm off to a different VRO. Thanks for nothing knob-face"?
Or does it have to be your local VRO?
Any idea what counts as a 'major component' in the kit conversion scheme? I'm not using the donor box but it was fitted to Sierra XR4x4s - would
they know otherwise if I said it was the box from the donor - there is no 'gearbox number' on the V5 is there? Not using the engine but i 'could
be' theoretically if I put my Honda engine number on my donor's V5 - that's what I was getting at earlier. Then I'll have both axles - front and
rear, and the steering column.
Liam
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bob
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| posted on 31/10/02 at 12:23 AM |
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The trouble is nobody really knows,this is why cheap dutton log books are rife.
The GOV had this mad idea for some reason about SVA and we are stuck with it.
On a light note thoughdid you read in the links when we had them about the builder who got away with no SVA at all.
Trailered his car to local VRO for chassis number,was told just MOT it and they sorted log book for him.
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Liam
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| posted on 31/10/02 at 12:44 AM |
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quote:
On a light note thoughdid you read in the links when we had them about the builder who got away with no SVA at all.
Trailered his car to local VRO for chassis number,was told just MOT it and they sorted log book for him.
 Ok, where was this VRO and does the person he spoke to still work there?! I may as well fix my wheels to my chassis with cable ties, take it
down there and get the car registered now. Then I can drive it as soon as it runs!
[Edited on 31/10/02 by Liam]
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redeye
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| posted on 31/10/02 at 08:37 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by theconrodkid
contact your local vro,
whats a vro?
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 31/10/02 at 08:48 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Liam
Or does it have to be your local VRO?
If you look at that government link posted further up, it says that you must go to your local place - if you're outside the catchment area then you
get sent away.
David
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