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MK Reverse Starter motor
Rogthebandit - 13/4/11 at 06:14 PM

Hi

i am looking at installing a starter motor reverse gear on my MK indy chassis. MK sell the kit for 350. they will sell the gear on its own for 100. can anyone tell me what starter they use and what mods the starter has?

cheers
Rog

Davg - 13/4/11 at 06:19 PM

Thread should help you out.
cheers D

http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=113340&page=1

Mr Whippy - 13/4/11 at 06:28 PM

still not convinced those starter reverse motors arn't just going to rust up inside and stop working as they were never designed to have the gear or slider shaft exposed to the elements as they normally live inside the sealed off bellhousing and are notorious for jamming when dirt get in. I've had to clean plently in my time with petrol just to stop them chewing up my flywheel.

40inches - 13/4/11 at 06:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
still not convinced those starter reverse motors arn't just going to rust up inside and stop working as they were never designed to have the gear or slider shaft exposed to the elements as they normally live inside the sealed off bellhousing and are notorious for jamming when dirt get in. I've had to clean plently in my time with petrol just to stop them chewing up my flywheel.


They are sealed, or at least mine is, by a figreglass cover on the bottom of the chassis, others have fabricated a cover from ally

Rogthebandit - 13/4/11 at 07:00 PM

Hi 40INCHES

i was reading your posts on the other link. you listed a load of starter motors. can you tell me if the one supplied by MK is compatable with the starter gear? or do you need to modify the starter gear aswell?

Rog

40inches - 13/4/11 at 09:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Rogthebandit
Hi 40INCHES

i was reading your posts on the other link. you listed a load of starter motors. can you tell me if the one supplied by MK is compatable with the starter gear? or do you need to modify the starter gear aswell?

Rog

When MK started selling the reverse kit, it was said that the starter was a VAG, so, probably
However, unless MK have redesigned the spur gear, it was not very well engineered in that it had a thin centre that was simply trapped
between the prop and diff although, as far as I know, none have failed, I would not use it.
The one I designed positively holds the prop and gear onto the diff flange, and I was more than willing to pay another £60 for
piece of mind

neo2 - 13/4/11 at 10:36 PM

HERR HERR i double that above the one 40inches designed is perfect i got one made off his design by the same company i wasnt happy having the gear jammed between the prop and diff and the air gap between them as there was nothing solid for the two to pull on when nipped ?? spend the extra money i used a golf starter from euro car parts £59 all in brand new non exchange...

Rogthebandit - 14/4/11 at 05:19 PM

cheers for that chaps

is your design availiable 40inches?

40inches - 14/4/11 at 05:53 PM

If you look in my archive in the Electric reverse folder, you will find a copy of a quote from HPC Gears, contact them with the part number and specs and they will give you an up to date price
Or, there is a drawing in there you can use.

Rogthebandit - 15/4/11 at 03:58 PM

cheers 40inches

most helpful, i will look through the folders

thanks
Rog

Rogthebandit - 18/4/11 at 10:05 PM

how do chaps

i got a quote today from the gear company. 40inches/Neo2 what golf starter did you use? which model did it come from? or do you have the part number?

40inches - 19/4/11 at 07:35 AM

Take yer pick

9T 1.1KW GR M8 N
LRT00177

Cross Ref:
0001121006
0001121007
020911023F
020911023T

You can get them new on the Bay for around £100,( or less from German and Swedish) they fit all these models, so are relatively easy to find;


AUDI A3 1.6 00-02

AUDI A3 1.6 98-00

AUDI A3 1.6 AT 98-01

AUDI A3 1.8 AT 98-03

AUDI A3 1.8 AT 98-01

AUDI A3 1.8 Turbo AT

AUDI A3 1.8 Turbo AT 00-03

AUDI A3 1.8 Turbo AT 98-00 9T

AUDI A3 1.8 Turbo AT 98- 9T

AUDI A3 1.8 Turbo AT 99-00 9T

AUDI A3 1.8 Turbo AT 98-03 9T

AUDI A3 1.8 Turbo Quattro AT 98-00

AUDI A3 1.9 TDI AT 00-03

SEAT Alhambra 1.8 Turbo AT 98-00

SEAT Alhambra 2.0 AC AT 98-00

SEAT Alhambra 2.0 AT 00-

SEAT Alhambra 2.0 AT 98-00

SEAT Cordoba 1.6 96-02

SEAT Cordoba 1.6 AC 96-02

SEAT Cordoba 1.8 96-02

SEAT Cordoba 1.8 AC 96-02

SEAT Cordoba 2.0i 95-96

SEAT Ibiza 1.6 99-02

SEAT Ibiza 1.6 00-02

SEAT Ibiza 1.6 99-00

SEAT Leon 1.4 99-00

SEAT Leon 1.4 16V 99-02

SEAT Leon 1.4 16V AC 99-02

SEAT Leon 1.4 16V AC 99-02

SEAT Leon 1.4 AC 99-00

SEAT Leon 1.6 99-04

SEAT Leon 1.6 16V 00-02

SEAT Leon 1.6 16V AC 00-02

SEAT Leon 1.8 20V AT 99-03

SEAT Leon 1.8 Turbo 00-01

SEAT Leon 1.8 Turbo 00-04

SEAT Toledo 1.6 99-

SEAT Toledo 1.6 98-

SEAT Toledo 1.6 98-02

SEAT Toledo 1.6 16V 00-02

SEAT Toledo 1.6 16V AC 00-02

SEAT Toledo 1.8 20V AT 98-03

SKODA Octavia 1.6 98-02

SKODA Octavia 1.8 Turbo 98-04

SKODA Octavia 1.8 Turbo 4x4 AT 00-04

SKODA Octavia 1.8 Turbo AT 00-04

SKODA Octavia 2.0 AT 99-02

VW VOLKSWAGEN Bora 1.6 01-05

VW VOLKSWAGEN Bora 1.6 02-03

VW VOLKSWAGEN Bora 1.6 98-01

VW VOLKSWAGEN Bora 1.6 98-05

VW VOLKSWAGEN Bora 1.8 Turbo 00-05

VW VOLKSWAGEN Bora 2.0 AT 98-05

VW VOLKSWAGEN Golf III 2.0 95-97

VW VOLKSWAGEN Golf IV 1.4 00-01

VW VOLKSWAGEN Golf IV 1.4 97-

VW VOLKSWAGEN Golf IV 1.4 99-00

VW VOLKSWAGEN Golf IV 1.4 AC 00-01

VW VOLKSWAGEN Golf IV 1.4 AC 98-

VW VOLKSWAGEN Golf IV 1.4 AC 99-00

VW VOLKSWAGEN Golf IV 1.6 97-

VW VOLKSWAGEN Golf IV 1.8 AT 97-98

VW VOLKSWAGEN Golf IV 2.0 AT 98-05

VW VOLKSWAGEN New Beetle 1.6 99-00

VW VOLKSWAGEN New Beetle 1.6 AT 00-05

VW VOLKSWAGEN New Beetle 1.8 98-01

VW VOLKSWAGEN New Beetle 1.8 99-04

VW VOLKSWAGEN New Beetle 2.0 AT 98-05

VW VOLKSWAGEN New Beetle 2.0 AT 98-01

VW VOLKSWAGEN Polo 1.6 95-97

VW VOLKSWAGEN Polo 1.6 95-97

VW VOLKSWAGEN Polo 1.6 AC 95-99

VW VOLKSWAGEN Polo 1.6 AC 95-97

VW VOLKSWAGEN Sharan 1.8 Turbo AT 98-00

VW VOLKSWAGEN Sharan 2.0 AC AT 98-00

VW VOLKSWAGEN Sharan 2.0 AT 00-

VW VOLKSWAGEN Sharan 2.0 AT 98-00

Rogthebandit - 19/4/11 at 05:13 PM

i see your that list o your other posts. i wasnt suue if the pitch of the teeth was the same for each starter. are all these compatable with the gear you designed? i have seem a few on ebay.

40inches - 19/4/11 at 07:42 PM

It's the same starter, just fits a lot of models.
Not a perfect match, the pitch is OK, but the thrust angle is a few degrees out, guy at HPC said that to
manufacture a spur with the VAG thrust angle would be over £200 His advise was that the standard
angle would be more than fit for purpose, just a bit noisy.
You need to allow 6 thou backlash.

Rogthebandit - 19/4/11 at 07:53 PM

cheers for that

how does yours sound? do you grease it to reduce friction? and noise?

40inches - 19/4/11 at 08:12 PM

It sounds like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0V0clui0BQ
not that bad. Grease will just fly off.

Rogthebandit - 19/4/11 at 09:55 PM

sounds good. as you say, its well fit for purpose. its not as though your using it for long periods of time anyway. now i just need to pick a starter from the list

going on ebay

cheers again for all the info

:{THC}:YosamiteSam - 26/12/11 at 12:33 PM

hey 40inches you wouldnt happen to have

a a bigger image of the dimensions for the brackets
b gear wheel
c wiring diagram?

the install you have done looks very straight forwards

im in the process now of converting and the way you have done it looks so easy.

just need some more info on the wiring side now

thanks in advance

Custardpants - 30/12/11 at 02:42 PM

Rog - my reverse isn't on my Indy as I didn't like it at all - PM me if you'd like it for your IVA.