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Twin40 - 8/2/12 at 01:59 PM

Hey guys, just doing the first post introductions - i've recently ordered myself an Mk Indy RR, should be here in a few weeks! In the meantime i'm on the search for a hayabusa engine + loom etc - so if you know of one....

Cheers

Clive

imp paul - 8/2/12 at 02:10 PM

hello and welcome. as for your engine malc is your man for a good 1. Yorkshire engines and it would have very good back up top man good luck on your build

paul


http://www.yorkshireengines.co.uk/website/

[Edited on 8/2/12 by imp paul]

PAUL FISHER - 8/2/12 at 02:23 PM

Found one here, still in the bike so can be heard running.

Suzuki Hayabusa GSXR1300 GSXR 1300 Engine complete running package | eBay

Twin40 - 8/2/12 at 02:30 PM

Thanks for the info guys, that ebay link is pretty good...

however i've been told the later Busa engines are better?? (probably more £££'s too!)

Any ideas?

The plan is to bolt in a fairly stock motor for this season and then 'upgrade' for next year. As i've never driven a kit car before!

PAUL FISHER - 8/2/12 at 02:37 PM

The later busa engines, like Danny runs in the race car give another 20bhp, but are nearly twice the price, I don't think you will get a complete running packaged for much less than £3500

imp paul - 8/2/12 at 02:49 PM

later busa engine has more compression

Custardpants - 8/2/12 at 03:29 PM

Haven't tried the Gen I Busa - but bear in mind that if you are in the car on your own versus a Gen II with two people will it really be much slower?

Twin40 - 8/2/12 at 04:24 PM

Well i'm intending to compete with this car, so max bhp is always a big help.

I'm considering the route of buying a complete bike, that way i get all the components i'll need, and i can sell the remaning frame/parts etc.

anyone else on here compete with their MK?

eddie99 - 8/2/12 at 06:00 PM

Hi
I've got a nice 08 hayabusa for sale, only done a couple of hundred miles,U2U me if interested

noc231073 - 8/2/12 at 07:12 PM

I have a 2011 Mk Indy rr with a 2010 engine I race and hillclimb in
I am running a nova dry sump. Flat shift .. Up and down the gears ... A great upgrade too is a wiring loom from Riltech racing in the USA cuts all the crap out of the loom, but still keeping the Suzuki ecu so you can flash the ecu using. Ecu editor , a proper swirl pot is a must ... And don't bother with the standard clocks I running a digi dash
With gps and datalogger .. Great piece of kit ... I also fit a factory pro kit which is a super upgrade .. Gives positive gear changes with no missed gears
What kinda build budget have you .. With the busa it can get expensive I have spent in the region of 15k + to get it to where it is now. 13 are also a must for tyre choice
If ya need any info give me a shout ... Or at that if you were interested in a built one mine coul be on the market soon

Twin40 - 9/2/12 at 07:31 AM

Eddie99 - I'll send over a U2U in a moment

noc231073 - Thats exactly the type of build i'm aiming for, sounds like you've got quite an impressive machine there! any chance of some pictures? I've got the 13" compomotive CXN's coming with the car.

What fuel system do you run then? In-tank pump - main pump - filter - swirl pot etc etc

ajw - 9/2/12 at 07:45 PM

If you are running 13" wheels send back the standard wings and get 13in specials from Danny. NOC s car is capable of beating a 550bhp mitsi evo time attack car on the track ,its prestine. swop the shocks before you use them for double adjastables. My car has all footwell on passanger side modified by MK to take dry sump tank etc.I am fitting a obp pedal box at the moment. Use cosworth drives if you can find them. good luck building.

Twin40 - 28/2/12 at 06:57 AM

It finally here! Picked up the kit on saturday, Danny K very kindly took me down the road in a K8 powered Indy R, certainly put a smile on my face!






So first question of many, anyone have a decent picture of the front anti-roll bar setup? Mine seems to be clashing with the chassis (will get pics up asap)

Cheers

Clive B.

noc231073 - 28/2/12 at 07:42 AM

I don't understand how it clashing with the chassis are you sure you haven't mixed the front and rear one up

big_l - 28/2/12 at 08:20 AM

Awsome car . You
Should do a build blog so we can all keep an eye on the build !!
I used google blogger It is easy !! I do it on my iPhone there is a app you can down load !!

Twin40 - 28/2/12 at 08:25 AM

quote:
Originally posted by noc231073
I don't understand how it clashing with the chassis are you sure you haven't mixed the front and rear one up


No, the front anti roll bar on this chassis is inboard, it sits on top of the chassis and links with the top bolts of the rocker setup (pictures would help hugely here! I'll get some asap)

The problem i'm having is the bolts look to be hitting the chassis - so i assume i'm assembling it incorrectly...

Hence the pic request!



And yes when i've got a little further i'll get a build thread going....

cheers

scootz - 28/2/12 at 08:29 AM

I can't get onto the MK website... what's the difference between the R and an RR?

bobinspain - 28/2/12 at 08:32 AM

quote:
Originally posted by scootz
I can't get onto the MK website... what's the difference between the R and an RR?


I think the RR is more race-orientated Scott, including rose-jointing instead of poly-bushed chassis.

scootz - 28/2/12 at 08:36 AM

Ah! Cheers Bob!

loggyboy - 28/2/12 at 09:27 AM

Im sorry to dig up an old subject, and I can hear you all groaning - but are MK still supplying a rollcage that doesnt meet MSA standards?

Twin40 - 28/2/12 at 01:23 PM

I've just read up on this - amazing how one simple post on a forum can ruin your day!! Cheers Loggyboy!

contacted MSA to get this clarified once and for all.


[Edited on 28/2/12 by Twin40]

Davegtst - 28/2/12 at 01:29 PM

whats the idea behind the passenger footwell bulkhead being further back than the drivers?

loggyboy - 28/2/12 at 01:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Twin40
I've just read up on this - amazing how one simple post on a forum can ruin your day!! Cheers Loggyboy!

contacted MSA to get this clarified once and for all.


Sorry mate, better now than when its all put together!

From what ive read on Dannys posts here, they have used a friendly MSA scrutineer to get sign log books of other cars with the same cage so Im sure it will be ok to get the car on track - Im just suprised they've not changed it as its such a simple change needed!

MSA link: http://www.msauk.org/uploadedfiles/pdf/SafetyRoll-OverStructures.pdf

[Edited on 28/2/12 by loggyboy]

Twin40 - 28/2/12 at 01:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Davegtst
whats the idea behind the passenger footwell bulkhead being further back than the drivers?


I assume its to accomodate the pedal box, obvioulsy only required on the drivers side hence the bulkhead location



No probs loggyboy, yes your right - better find out now than when i arrive trackside!

Neville Jones - 28/2/12 at 04:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
Im sorry to dig up an old subject, and I can hear you all groaning - but are MK still supplying a rollcage that doesnt meet MSA standards?


Using a 'friendly' scrutineer to sign log books is one thing, and they may get away with it for a while. But one day a sharp scrutineer who knows his rules and applies them, will tell the MK crowd to go home and weld in the single tube as in the MSA and FIA regs to make the cages legal. This is a big safety item, and came about as a result of a court case. Just look out for when MSA takes the new rule and makes it bite.

Better still, get a proper legal cage from day one. It will look much neater, and be lighter.

Cheers,
Nev.

noc231073 - 28/2/12 at 06:26 PM

To be honest I have went trough all this already ..... I was told I couldn't race or hillclimb my car also... If you read that release from the MSA properly those regs are for tin tops ... I have since competed in hillclimbs and have raced and logbooked my car with no issues about the cage whatsoever . In fact you don't even need a front cage all you need is the rear rollover cage ....to be legal for most racing
So to be honest there a lot of people on here you like to wee you off with comments like that and they mainly come from guys with no racing experience
I have over 10 years experience in motorsport from stage rally to hillclimbs and racing and have a far knowledge of what expected by a scruiteener it's just not an issue at all with my car

danny keenan - 28/2/12 at 06:36 PM

Thanks for that nick iv been saying this all along.

at least some one knows the score instead of internet no it alls.iv been racing for 3 years in many different races and have never had any trobles.

thanks danny

Minicooper - 28/2/12 at 07:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
Im sorry to dig up an old subject, and I can hear you all groaning - but are MK still supplying a rollcage that doesnt meet MSA standards?


What exactly is wrong with it? In what way does it not meet MSA standards?

Cheers
David

noc231073 - 28/2/12 at 07:34 PM

To be fair I was told on here I wouldn't be able to race or hillclimb my car by certain people which is always nice to hear when you just spent 10 k plus on a car to race ..
Mk told me I wouldn't have any issues with the cage... And to be honest I hadn't any issues it's been trough scrutiny over 6 times now no problem
Danny I don't talk bull ... I talk facts and there the facts ... And if it was an issue Danny would have been the first to know ...

loggyboy - 28/2/12 at 08:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Minicooper
What exactly is wrong with it? In what way does it not meet MSA standards?

Cheers
David


It has 2 bends in the front roll bar, it should only have 1. It also has its mouting point behind the furthest forward point of the roll bar. The regs mention nothing about tintops, only that if you have more than 1 bend, you can use a reinforcement bar to comply.

What seems strange to me is its such a simple fix, just bring the bar straight up from the floor, and then have one bend! The cage doesnt need to follow the line of the skuttle/dash so closely. I can only assume MK dont want to leave themselves open to having to retrospectively change all the cages they have sold as MSA compliant. However The rule changes have only been recently reinforced to confirm this so if it was me, I'd just tweek the new cages!

As is shown in the link I posted (msa news) these are new changes/reinforcements of the regs (in red) and have only applied for 2012, so anyone who has been racing for the past few seasons with no problems, may find that scrutineers that werent previously aware of it are now. I understand that MKs (and MNRs) have had the cages refused at some events (going by what the infamous matt/procomp has stated he has seen).

[Edited on 28/2/12 by loggyboy]

austin man - 28/2/12 at 08:23 PM

This type of car only requires a rear hoop as Noc and others have said they have all got their log books no problems. The internet and forums are good for information however they can also be a pain in the ass when people start to apply their own interpretation of the rules. I would also believe that there are more than one scrutineer who have passed the MK Roll cage.

Build your car mate drive it like you stole it and enjoy

Rogthebandit - 28/2/12 at 10:01 PM

Just out of curiosity, but does anyone know what wall thickness the cages are made from?

danny keenan - 28/2/12 at 10:30 PM

they are 2.5mm wall thickness

thanks

Neville Jones - 29/2/12 at 11:26 AM

And if you learnt to read, then you would know that the rulebook is like the MOT, if fitted must comply.

Without the front section of the cage, then the single roll hoop would be sufficient and pass. If you are going to fit the rest of the cage, then it has to comply with MSA/FIA regs. IE single bend in front tube.

In getting compliance with log books, you are seeing the difference between club level and the interpretations of others at a different level.

Cheers,
Nev.

procomp - 29/2/12 at 03:37 PM

Hi

I see my name was dragged into this post. Not that i really give a poo about what bullshit Mk come out with, But i wonder why the works car off Ian Kempson had to have the roll cage changed by Danny to continue racing.

Have a look MK Indy-R Race or Trackday car | eBay.

Cheers Matt