Hi, I am looking for a complete guide on how to install a newer black top engine (zetec?) to a type9 and sierra rear diff set up on my mk indy.

Currently I have searched the web with not much progress?

Now my car at the moment has a exhaust that exits on the drivers side. And so on.

How much work is involved in swapping out the pinto for a newer engine. Does the st170 or st150 engine fit?

I would prefer the exhausts to exit on the same side I have heard I would need a dura torque for this to work. Are the st engines dura torque? If not what is the most power they do from a dura torque.

Does anyone have a ball park figure for the total costing for doing a job like this. And could I do it in a couple of free weekends if all the parts are ready?


I have a fairly good background with doing my own work on cars etc. but need some advice for this.


Thanks chaps!

Everything on a zetec is on the opposite side to a pinto but a duratec exits on the same side as a pinto and as far as I'm aware the duratec head has massive valves and upto 250bhp is easily achievable with just bolt on parts such as cams and throttle bodies, they seem to be the tuners choice in the classic ford scene at the moment

Nice summary mate thank you for that. I needed steering in the right direction so will have a look further

Whoo bit of shite talk duratorque is diesal if you mean duratec will get the exhaust out the same side and is a good engine lots of potential but will cost a bit to get working you need to decide what you want new bonnet nice steady reliabile engine or lots of new parts lots of real power and a few grand duratec i did it and worth every penny.
Cheers Ali

First off what car is it going in ?

Next if you've currently got a pinto them I'm guessing your not using an aftermarket fuel injected setup ? (megasquirt, Emerald, Omex, and so on)
or are you running a distributorless spark like megajolt on the pinto ?

if you're already running an aftermarket ECU then its going to make things easier

Some points to clear up:

* Yes the 'Zetec E' engines have the inlet/exhausts on the opposite sides to the pinto


* The ST170 engine has a duratec badge on it but is really a blacktop 'Zetec E' engine with a few tweeks and fancy variable cam timing so it can be fitted in much the same way as the normal zetec E
but controlling the VVT is the issue (see loads of old threads on here, try coozer's old posts for starters)


* The ST150 fiesta engine is really a Duratec HE and has no parts in common with the zetec (its actually a mazda based engine) in fact its got the inlet and exhaust the same way round as a pinto !
-btw the ST150 is probably the duratec of choice as it doesn't have a dual mass flywheel or EGR stuff that you need to deal with - but one out a mondeo / focus will work just as well once you've dealt with those bits

* as above ford 'duratorq' engines are all diesels (the name actually covers a whole range of different engines)



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Whichever engine you use you'll need to make new mounts - search the old threads on her if you need some tips


The Zetec E engines fit the std. 4cly ford bellhousing that comes with your pinto so you just need to sort the flywheel/starter, clutch and spigot bearing - there are a few options on the exact combinations of parts - see the old threads on here for details.


The duratec HE (ST150) will require an aftermarket bellhousing to fit the type 9 and a clutch etc. to match
you can get these bits from places like RWD Motorsport and Retro Ford etc..
this also makes duratec's quite a bit more expensive to install

you may need to fit a smaller alternator, change the drive belt route and on the zetec even change the waterpump for one that rotates the opposite direction (all dependant on what and how you install it - see the old threads for specific examples)


and for either of them you may need to modify the sump (depending on what car its going in) and you will require new exhaust manifold / primary pipes as well as all the coolant pipes



The intake / spark side of things is totally dependant on what you plan to run the new engine with....
Are you planning to run it on a set of shiny new jenvey throttle bodies with a modern aftermarket ECU ?
or maybe just a single TB and a supercharger ?
or the stock Ford ECU ?
or twin webers / deloto's ?
or maybe a set of bike carb's with DIY manifold ?



have a good search through the old threads on this site - everything you need to know has been covered about 50 times over



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Fantastic mcerd1, top bloke, appreciate that.


I really don't want to sound too stupid, I have spent ages now looking on the threads and websites but have yet to find a step by step guide or anything to really help me out

Now I have limited knowledge and skill.

I'm running a sierra dif and type 9 gearbox with the pinto engine all from a 1983 sierra estate.

I do really need to have the exhaust still leaving down the right hand side of the car as it is at the moment.

So what I have found is an alloy bell housing which connects the type 9 to a duratec engine £200
I have also found a spigot bearing for the gearbox shaft? Not sure if it's needed or what but that's £13

At home I have a inlet manifold I planned on fitting to my pinto and then fitting bike carbs (which I never bothered to do)
Now without sounding stupid can I carry on fitting this manifold to the new duratec engine, and would this then allow me to fit some bike throttle bodies (again I take it these are basically fuel injected carbs?).

How would all the electronics work out? Would I have to scrap all the electronics from under the dash? So all the old sierra dials and cables? And then replace them with a new type of dash from a donor car with the duratec engine? Would this make everything easier?

Would the new ecu just wire up to the battery? What about immobilisers etc?

Thanks for any help again

If you want to fit a zetec you will have to accept that the exhaust comes out the other side so new bonnet or side panel it will cost you a bit to fit a duratec but you can run it on carbs can help you but need to know what your budget is
Cheers Ali

Have a look at rwd motorsport cheapest way to connect duratec to type 9

Can I ask what you budget is for this swap and what you’re looking to achieve for all this work ?

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I'm running a sierra diff and type 9 gearbox with the pinto engine all from a 1983 sierra estate.

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I do really need to have the exhaust still leaving down the right hand side of the car as it is at the moment.

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Originally posted by Shaunk10
At home I have a inlet manifold I planned on fitting to my pinto and then fitting bike carbs (which I never bothered to do)
Now without sounding stupid can I carry on fitting this manifold to the new duratec engine, and would this then allow me to fit some bike throttle bodies (again I take it these are basically fuel injected carbs?).

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Originally posted by Shaunk10
How would all the electronics work out? Would I have to scrap all the electronics from under the dash? So all the old sierra dials and cables? And then replace them with a new type of dash from a donor car with the duratec engine? Would this make everything easier?

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Originally posted by Shaunk10
Would the new ecu just wire up to the battery? What about immobilisers etc?

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The things that saved me money on duratec swap were bellhousing and flywheel from RWD i kept pinto cable clutch works fine and i used a manifold plate and welded pinto manifold pipes to it i used throttle bodies and a dta but you could probs use mega jolt and bike carbs probs biggest cost work on mine was to move to fuel injection tank fuel lines regulator dta ecu etc but next bit of tunning upgrading is now a lot easier as car chassis etc is now set up for injection
Cheers Ali