Hi everyone,
My name is Mark and I'm planning an Indy build for next year, I'm sure its been covered before and I've done a search but can't
find a suitable thread anywhere.
I was wondering what the average cost of an Indy build is?
My plans are as follows...
Fireblade engine
Full cage
Ninja Green
Sierra prop, diff, shafts, rack, collumn and front sus. All of course to be modified by MK.
I'm also going to start with a Delux kit.
I'm expecting it to come in at around £6k, can anyone confirm or give me a harsh hit with reality?
Thanks in advance
Mark.
How long is a piece of string, i built mine for £5000, i have spent another £1000 since, and plan to spend another £?000's again, hope this
helps.
y not a mnr or mac 1 better custermer service lol
[Edited on 16/12/07 by dave-69isit]
So around £6k is possible then, Thats good.
I decided on an MK because I saw one on pistonheads and fell in love.
I'm planning my build based on this car but with a few subtle differences.
What benifits would I get from choosing a different chassis apart from customer service? Besides, I've heard that MK are very good.
if you have a very tight rien on your spending and don't want any "" nice upgrades"" etc and get the odd bargain or two then
you may build for that figure or a touch more but i would say 7000 to 8000 is a more real prospect for a carb blade build,
I know some will have built for less and i know alot will have spent many thousands more than that, but lets see what MK builders themselves have to
say as their the ones who Know
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Originally posted by dave-69isit
thay dont self center out off the box
Firstly, welcome to the forum.
We built our first blade engined Indy for 6K. That is with absolutely everything included to get it on the road. Tools, SVA, Registration fee,
Tax, Insurance, the lot.....
Having said that, prices will have increased since 2003 but with careful purchasing, it can still be done.
Have a read of our build diary.
Phil
no not at all thay didnt have any self centering built in to the geomatry
do a search on self centering
[Edited on 16/12/07 by dave-69isit]
Surely there must be adjustments that can be made?
Hellfire, I actually scanned through your website yesterday, was very impressed. looks like a good build.
Hi mark
welcome you can easily build for 6000 should have mine built and on the road for 3500.
see if you can get part built like i did will save you money. also post on here for anything you need.
cheers gordon
Thanks Gordon, I may be getting my hands on a built but not running Dutton which I can get going and learn with. Then I'll have more of an idea
when it comes to the indy.
I really want to build the car from scratch so I can say 'I built that!'
I understand what you mean by self centering now, As if the wheel doesn't return to the centre when you let go after a corner.
Either I can ad a caster angle in when building or would the new MK chassis have eliminated this as it has redisigned front suspension?
I believe the lack of self centreing is more to do with the design of the Sierra uprights rather than the design of the wishbones and certainly
isn't just an MK trait. I'd suggest doing some research on here if this is a major concern of yours. I'm sure it's been dicussed
before on numerous occasions.
Phil
[Edited on 16-12-07 by Hellfire]
is there any finised cars out ther with the new inboard suspension ? i would like to no if its any beter or have thay just made new top swing arms
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Originally posted by dave-69isit
thay dont self center out off the box
Guess I'll just have to find out about the self centering problems the hard way.
quote:
Originally posted by dave-69isit
thay dont self center out off the box.
oh ? well mine does ok, the only kit cars i've seen that dont are the poorly built ones
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y not a mnr or mac 1 better custermer service lol
again not had a problem, but there again its all to do with how you treat people i suppose.
i hope dave69 is talking from experiance and not gossip and repeated information, i have an MK and i built mine for around the £5500 area (cec)
i've looked at both the mac1 and mnr, and if i was to spend there sort of money i'd buy a westfield, you get what you pay for which is why a
robin hood is cheap and mnr is ££££
[Edited on 16/12/07 by graememk]
Scratch built = 3k with good bits !
Somw have are as low as £1500 with CEC, it s the little bits that add up get a complete donor, with a BEC get the exhaust, carbs and electrics so you
can chop them about.
Regards Mark
5K first build with pinto and a little weber carb, spent about 1K upgrading seats adding doors windscreen and bits before my pocket money dried
up.
Now running zetec 1800 and car stands me in £6500.
Mine self centres, no issues at SVA
No need Dave, All comments are appreciated.
I'd like to build it with the bike engine straight off as I think if I put a car engine in it I'd never get around to changing it. All that
wiring and everything, seems like alot of work.
I'm slightly worried about where I'll be able to get the FireBlade engine from because I'll obviously need all of the bits that go with
it, i.e. alternator, starter, inlets etc... I'm guessing that they'll have a control unit or two aswell?
Hi mark
Have a look in the for sale under yorkshire engines, malc has supplied a fair few engines to the lads on here.He is also a nice bloke to deal with and
knows exactly what your needs are.
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Originally posted by dave-69isit
no not at all thay didnt have any self centering built in to the geomatry
do a search on self centering
[Edited on 16/12/07 by dave-69isit]
As for costs, I've just passed the 6k mark, and probably have about another 1k to go. I could probably have done it a couple of grand cheaper,
and I certainly could have done it a few grand more expensive.
I've found that the bits i've spent more than I was expecting on are the engine and the electrics. I've spent about double what
i'd planned on the engine so far, just lots of little-ish bits adding up. I hadn't realised quite how much the instruments and lights cost
when I started either, so i'm waaaaaaay over there
MK indy passed the SVA OK, but doesn't really self centre properly - i.e like a production car.
It isn't a problem on the road though.
Stu
" It isn't a problem on the road though"
Until you drive a car that dose Handel and dose have the correct Castor to provide self centering.
Then you realise what you are missing .
Cheers Matt
speaking from experience having built 3 mk indy's £6K will allow you to build a very nice indy with some nice bits, a lot depends on how much you can do yourself and if your prepared to use second hand parts.
If you were considering an MNR myself and my dad bought one with an R1 engine having bought the complete kit from them and it came in at £8k. Not the
cheapest way to do it so im sure you could build one for less, sourcing your own donor car, engine and other bits.
[Edited on 17/12/07 by bassett]
Well I'm a mechanic by trade so won't be needing any outside help. I'm obviously not counting any labour costs to do the build, just
parts.
I don't mind using second hand / used parts as long as they are in good condition and won't look bad when fitted. I'm hoping that not
only will the car go like stink, but look the nuts doing it.
I've just spent the last hour trying to add up all of the cost I'll incure during the build.
It comes to just over £6500 but thats going on MK's prices for a lot of stuff that I think I may be able to get cheaper elsewhere.
Add another 15% and you might be somewhere near.
I'm not suggesting your budget is incorrect but you'd be amazed at how much things like switches, electrical connections, nuts and bolts etc
and all the other miscellaneous stuff actually increases your costs.
Phil
I was thinking about that.
This is starting to get expensive. The problem is where most of the cost lies. I want a bike engine, so thats an extra grand. I want a full cage,
so thats an extra £500. I want to do it right so thats a lot of money.
What started out as something to do which I've always wanted to do, now is turning into something that I will just always want to do.
quote:
Originally posted by Mark G
What started out as something to do which I've always wanted to do, now is turning into something that I will just always want to do.
Or failing that, as long as you've got the space you could just do it fairly slowly. A bit here and there as funds allow makes it easier than slashing out in a short space of time...
You need to compromise somewhere on the build. Get the bike engine and the full cage but shop around and buy wisely on other expensive items such as
wheels, brakes etc and you should be able to build it on the budget you have. You can (and will ) upgrade stuff when you've completed your
build and funds become available.
Don't let it put you off building, just buy wisely.
Phil
If it wasn't for the fact that I cant get an engine assembly for less than £1200 I'd do it.
I just know that if I put a car engine in I'd never bother to put a bike engine in after, besides its the bike engine part of the kit that
I'm most looking forward to.
AAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!
quote:
Originally posted by Mark G
If it wasn't for the fact that I cant get an engine assembly for less than £1200 I'd do it.
What else would I need to go with that apart from carbs and clocks?
you have U2U Mark
Being a mechanic is almost necessary in my opinion, but it sort of depends on where you live.
Abandoned project from a well known maker? Second hand MNR that you can rebuild? Might be more prudent from a purely financial point of view.
Well, Good news!
I've just agreed to buy a Blade engine which comes with ECU, carbs, geny and starter! I'm picking it up on Sunday!
The project is GO!!!
[Edited on 20/12/07 by Mark G]
Does anyone know what the following items are and can they be fabricated easily? I don't really know what they are and they're gonna cost
me £175 from MK if I need them.
Adaptor flange (Bike engine) - £70
Engine mounting cradle (fireblade) - £105
At a guess the mounting cradle has all the right mounts for the engine. but whats the flange?
the adaptor flange replaces the gear box sprocket so the prop will bolt to the engine.
I would have thought the cradle would be part of the chassis kit for a bike engined car and not an add on
I see, Thanks.
Congrats for taking the plunge, you wont regret it.
I know nowt about BECs so cant help you with your queries though...
hi mark i built the car you picture the total cost including roll cage fitted later by MK was 7500
forgot to add cost of viper stripes and stickers dont try doing them yourself was 200
Dont mess about with things like the adaptor flange / propshaft unless you are a professional - the consequences of these letting go dont bear
thinking about. Anyway, for your propshaft adaptor you can get them for £55 delivered from here.....
Prop adaptor linky
So are you getting all the electrics / loom for your engine then Mark or sourcing these seperately??
Editted to add - may as well get the proper 12.9 spec bolts too for the extra £2 unless you already have these.
[Edited on 21/12/07 by Paul TigerB6]
£350 , cough, £400, cough.
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Originally posted by roadrunner
£350 , cough, £400, cough.
Oops my mistake - i must have sold it far too expensive then!! Hows it going anyway Brad??
quote:
Originally posted by mad gaz
hi mark i built the car you picture the total cost including roll cage fitted later by MK was 7500
quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
So are you getting all the electrics / loom for your engine then Mark or sourcing these seperately??
quote:
Originally posted by Mark G
The I'm getting all I need apart from the exhaust or loom. I'm going to decide when I see the engine wether I make the loom myself to save some cash or buy one ready.
Thanks for the flange link.
quote:
Oops my mistake - i must have sold it far too expensive then!! Hows it going anyway Brad??
I know that I've hardly started yet but I've made a blog about my build, I'll be trying to keep it up to date as I go.
Figured it could be of interest to a few people so the link is below.
http://mkindybuild.blogspot.com/
Mark
Have we spoken on the phone?
Do you drive for Limos 4 u?
Mike
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Originally posted by mike smith1
Mark
Have we spoken on the phone?
Do you drive for Limos 4 u?
Mike
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Originally posted by Mark G
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Originally posted by mike smith1
Mark
Have we spoken on the phone?
Do you drive for Limos 4 u?
Mike
No, Not me. Although if you want to give me a limo I wouldn't mind.