Just wondered if like most sport car owners if kit car owners slag off bikers or not. Being a biker myself and a car lover it always seems the bikers get a bit of abuse (Jeremy Clarkson rings any bells).

Seems like a little respect is needed for bikes here lads do you not think, after all how many bikes do you see with car engines in huh, 2.0 pinto in a suzuki Hayabusa, eh maybe not a.
Bye and thankyou, John
PS Im after a kit car with BIKE engine by the way

yes , they are all big girlies........(me hides in my drunken corner)

stop n have plenty a "ciggys" n chat with bikers, 99% of em are very interested in peeking at a bike engine in a car, had a play with a few once, they pulled up n we was gassing for ages,

dont think ive ever heard a bad word for bikers amongst the kit cat world.

Nahhh only joking. I respect them as long as they dont get on their ' you never saw me ' high horse.
as a car driver I dont generally expect to find a biker "doin 120 on one knee" around a sweeping bend.
I dont expect bikers to nip in between lanes of traffic on the m/way or A roads as they are a lane of traffic themselves - not immune as bikers seem to think.
I do agree that with a bit more planning on all parties behalf, ALL accidents could have been prevented. (speaking as one who has seen enough accidents to last forever - not a biker, car driver or staticitian) - i think thats how to spell it.

they sometimes wee me off when they are driving like prats, but for the large part they are considerate and polite - next time a bike comes up behind you when you are in a car, try making space for them when they pass you, by moving towards the edge of the road. 90% of the time they thank you as they pass. always makes me smile that one.

There'll be lots of bikes round here this weekend as it's Pentrich rock 'n blues again. Wrong kind of bikes though, all matt black with aircooled V twin engines and bearded riders. I went years back and somebody tried to nick my mirrors, so much for honour amongst thieves. Guarantee a few accidents as well as they all drink and get stoned for the weekend and try to ride home without recovering overnight.

im one for nipping in behind cars but try and do it sensibly i work with and ride bikes every day and i think riding bikes has made me more aware of whats in front and around but you can never tell what any one is going to do,weather its driving in town or on the open road if some one is at a junction its allways in the back of my mind ,are they going to pull out.i dont own a bike and havnt done for some years but can borrow them from work but iv had more fun in my kit car for the few months i had it then ever on a bike

Some 'ordinary' car drivers cause me problems.

See post 'OUCH'

Yes i saw that post, and i do agree - that driver needs shooting.

Or you could take him down the bulldog bash and tell the angels what he did LOL.

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Yes i saw that post, and i do agree - that driver needs shooting.

Or you could take him down the bulldog bash and tell the angels what he did LOL.

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I dunno, driving around with no windscreen, a helmet, windproof bikers neckwarmer, bike engine and bike gloves I feel a lot more affinity for bikers (like not being seen by a lot of dozy tin top drivers) than car drivers.
As someone mentioned, at filling stations they are keen to talk and interested to see it's got a bike engine in.
Before I built my car I paid very little heed/attention to bikes and bikers, but now I know a bit more I find them to be good courteous drivers on the road and their engines rock!!!
Ali

don't sports car drivers have attitude with just about every road user though??

i personally have a lot of respect for bikers as i socialise a lot with them and have a massive love of bikes but due to the stupidity of the majority of road users i don't fancy leaving myself so exposed to the front of your average rover 75 being driven by someone who should have sent their license back many years ago!

Myself and 3 other NI BEC drivers went to the NI Harley Owners Group meeting in Enniskillen on Sat night. We camped overnight and had a great night altogether.
We were christened 'The Plastic Car Club' - while we informed the Harley boys that their engines belonged in cement mixers!! It was all good humoured and we were made to feel very welcome and it was a great night.
Bikers Rock!!

This bike got a chevy 350 v8 in it, guy down the street from me has one, says it handle terribly, but can spin the tire in any gear

the 'car pulls out on bike at junction' scenario is quite common. when I had a bike it happend twice to me in 18 months. one of the guys even admitted he saw me and still pulled out.

That was 1976 (heck).

In those days the top bikes were things like the kawa Z1. Bikes nowadays have a lot more power. And lets face it, half the bikes or more on the road are race replica sports bikes. like, they are not meant to be driven fast.......

there are stupid car drivers, and a fair proportion of inconsiderate a$$holes on sports bikes too.

there are faults on both sides. However more often its the biker that doenst tell the tale.

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steve

I sincerley believe that if car drivers had to pass a bike test before being allowed to provisionally drive a car - it would improve road safety for bikes no end.

Too many car drivers have avoidable accidents in cars. When on a bike the vital "Life Saver" look over the shoulder would prevent lots of accidents occurring whether on a bike OR in car.

Course some people don't give a t*ss!!!

Having lost my best mate to a bike accident, I've never wanted to own one I must admit, but I do see the massive attraction of them. Great engines and stonking performance!!

However, as Hellfire said, there are tw@ts on both sides.

Read my post 'Idiot!!'.

Kit cars and Bikes must rule the road

(Or is that world?)

put enough sevens on the road, and they too would be in a high category of fatalities.

a small open car with no space between sides and driver, that hasnt been tested to meet crash standards, in my view, will be a lot less survivable in an accident than an average car.

then people would consider sevens dangerous like a bike......

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steve

I dunno. In most tin tops you may have space between you and the side of the car but what then? A bit of tin and plastic coated cardboard. Personally I'd prefer a nice thick piece of fibreglass and a braced, box section chassis tube. (Although it depends on the type of accident for sure)

I've heard and seen pictures of some bad accidents in sevens, where people have got out and walked away. Not so sure they'd have done the same had they been in your average tin top.

a saloon car could take about a foot of deformation from the side before you begin to get crushed against the transmission tunnel.

in a seven there is no where near that.

and all you have at the top is a single bit of inch rhs with some 1.2mm alu over it.

a largish off roader would likely just run over the top of you as a locost is what, about 450mm tall at the driver compartment.....

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steve

With regards the safety aspect of a seven, a lot of people have asked me about it's small size and lack of crumple zones etc.
I would agree with Steve it's no Volvo, but, ultimately, it is a LOT safer in a collision than a bike. That is a more valid comparison I feel.

I believe spaceframes crumple pretty gracefully in a frontal collision. Side impact the wheels stick out a fair way & would probably offer some protection, (not much) & ina roll I'd much rather be in a tin-top (apparantly its almost impossible to stop yourself putting an arm out to try and stop it rolling - ouch)
There's a picture of a crashed avon in the tiger book, my impression is that the 7 fares pretty well in a smash given its low mass. Are there "mira" type figures for the safety of these things?
Cheers
Bob

It is the "bikers way" if you ever rode one you would know and understand why we do the things we do. Why sit at the back of a traffic jam on a bike when you can filter through? Down the motorway between middle and outside lane is daft but until you try you won't know what a buzz that is!

buzz or not, driving between lanes on a motorway is foolish. gives bikers a bad rep in general seeing them do that, and if it goes wrong there really isnt much to be said.

I saw a dog being run over on holiday. it was hit by a truck. it wasnt dead. it lay there, part of its body crushed, unable to get up, crying for help. It wasnt nice seeing it there helpless, waiting for the next car to come along and finish it off.

you could be that dog.

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steve

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It is the "bikers way" if you ever rode one you would know and understand why we do the things we do. Why sit at the back of a traffic jam on a bike when you can filter through? Down the motorway between middle and outside lane is daft but until you try you won't know what a buzz that is!

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As ever, Steve, you are the voice of 'the upside'.....
Where were you on holiday anyway?
Never been anywhere that had motorcycling dogs..........

Crete.

Just walking back from a meal at a restaurant with the family when it happened. after that we walked the rest of the mile in silence.

my point is, clip a car at 90 in dense motorway traffic, and just image whats left of you after being hit by several cars in the fast and middle lane........ the cars follow too closely to have any visbility of a body in the road in fast dense traffic.

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steve

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As ever, Steve, you are the voice of 'the upside'.....
Where were you on holiday anyway?
Never been anywhere that had motorcycling dogs..........

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There was a horrific accident on the A47 near Norwich over the winter.

An elderly lady was walking her dog and strayed onto the dual carriageway. I believe she was hit by ten cars that never saw her.

Not nice at all

Re: bikes on motorways.

I never know exactly what's best to do. A couple of times I started to move over for them and almost knocked the poor buggers off their bikes as they'd decided to power through (I did signal!).

Now I just run the car almost onto the rumble strip to give them as much room as possible, seems to work and be appreciated, although I know it's not the right thing to do it seems the safest.

I think that as I'm driving a 'sports car' most people think you'll never get out of their way. (or is that BMWs?)