sonic
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| posted on 27/4/16 at 05:18 PM |
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Q plate and MOT question
Hill all
I was under the impression a MK on a Q plate registered in 2006 doesn't have to be checked for emissions, it is a visual smoke check only.
I went into a local MOT station today to enquire about available dates for a test, I mentioned it didn't need the emissions test and he said it
did, I questioned him and he was adamant it did!. I pointed out that on the logbook and at the time of SVA no value was recorded so what would he
compare it against. he was still quite abrupt and said it did.
To be honest I wont be taking it there due to the guys attitude but it has put doubt in my mind as to if it does or not, if it does I will need to
trailer it to a RR tuning session first as I have just fitted bike carbs and although it run to drive it to a test I would say the emissions wont be
right.
I have only just bought the car and haven't MOT'd it before so not sure, can anybody clarify the point ?
Thanks
[Edited on 27/4/16 by sonic]
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gremlin1234
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| posted on 27/4/16 at 05:30 PM |
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from the introduction section of the mot manual
quote:
Vehicles having a Q plate registration when presented for MOT are to be treated as follows: For emission purposes only, all these types are to be
considered as vehicles first used before 1 August 1975. For all other testing purposes they are to be considered as being first used on 1 January
1971
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russbost
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| posted on 27/4/16 at 05:34 PM |
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Quite a lot of testers are unaware of that point, it's not in the smartest place in the book ie it doesn't get mentioned in the emissions
section, but it is quite straightforward as stated above.
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sonic
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| posted on 27/4/16 at 05:34 PM |
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So no emissions test then, doesn't look good when an MOT specific garage doesn't know the rules does it!
Thank you for your reply, I will go to another garage tomorrow.
Thanks
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gremlin1234
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| posted on 27/4/16 at 05:35 PM |
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to add
this is repeated in section 7.3
quote:
Q plated vehicles are to be treated as being first used before 1 August 1975 for emissions purposes.
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 27/4/16 at 05:37 PM |
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Was about to post the same info as gremlin.
as for testers not knowing the rules/too lazy to check up,my "grey import" should be non cat tested,took it to 3 places before i found
someone who knew the rules.
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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gremlin1234
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| posted on 27/4/16 at 05:37 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sonic
So no emissions test then,
technically, it does have an emissions test, but just for visible smoke...
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sonic
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| posted on 27/4/16 at 05:39 PM |
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So if I get the same response again if I quote section 7.3 they can go and check ?
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40inches
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| posted on 27/4/16 at 05:45 PM |
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Section 7.3, page 1, information, last paragraph bottom left hand corner. 
You can download the current MOT Manual here
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mot-inspection-manual-for-class-3-4-5-and-7-vehicles
[Edited on 27-4-16 by 40inches]
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SteveWallace
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| posted on 27/4/16 at 05:49 PM |
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I'm confused. So the rules for IVA emission tests differ from the MOT test requirements for the same car?
Does this mean that even though I had to have a catalyst to get through IVA with my 1997 engine, as I have a Q plate I had now might as well chuck the
catalytic converter in the bin?
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40inches
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| posted on 27/4/16 at 05:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by SteveWallace
I'm confused. So the rules for IVA emission tests differ from the MOT test requirements for the same car?
Does this mean that even though I had to have a catalyst to get through IVA with my 1997 engine, as I have a Q plate I had now might as well chuck the
catalytic converter in the bin?
If it has a Q plate, yes. If it is age related, then no 
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gremlin1234
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| posted on 27/4/16 at 06:07 PM |
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quote:
You can download the current MOT Manual here
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mot-inspection-manual-for-class-3-4-5-and-7-vehicles
Thanks for the link, I notice that it was
updated March this year! (as far as I can see, only the headlight aim test has changed.)
[Edited on 27/4/16 by gremlin1234]
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Slimy38
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| posted on 27/4/16 at 09:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by SteveWallace
I'm confused. So the rules for IVA emission tests differ from the MOT test requirements for the same car?
Does this mean that even though I had to have a catalyst to get through IVA with my 1997 engine, as I have a Q plate I had now might as well chuck the
catalytic converter in the bin?
Yep, that's it. I've heard of several builders specifically aiming for a Q plate to avoid emissions (carbs or forced induction), but then
come a cropper when IVA requires a proper emissions test.
If memory serves, if you can't prove an engines age, it defaults to quite a stringent test. Which is the opposite of the Q plate where it
defaults to a visual check.
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froggy
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| posted on 27/4/16 at 10:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by theconrodkid
Was about to post the same info as gremlin.
as for testers not knowing the rules/too lazy to check up,my "grey import" should be non cat tested,took it to 3 places before i found
someone who knew the rules.
Some imports have an engine code that matches the Vosa book of emmisions standards so get the same test as uk cars of similar age
Caterhams get around the cat test by having the vin code with the digit in that denotes them as amateur not factory built so exempt . 2013 sigma
engines car I tested recently couldn't pass any of the readings when we tried it to see how bad it was compared to the k series cars
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motorcycle_mayhem
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| posted on 28/4/16 at 08:37 AM |
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Absolutely - A Q plate means no emission test required at the MoT station.
Why then, the Q plate is regarded by many (on this site) as a disadvantage, I know not. I do understand that you can't change the plate for one
that you can arrange the numbers and letters on, creating something that means something to you alone. Whereas I don't understand that
detriment, I do understand that it restricts the exportation of the vehicle - a restriction that has prevented my car from joining me abroad.
It's the same for my old Land Rover, which due to it's age, has to only endure a 'visual' diesel smoke test (something like it
must not emit sufficient smoke to as to obscure the view of a following vehicle). They love that in Munich.... along with the black plates.
The only other MoT nightmare/ignorance has been the VIN requirement for said Land Rover. I've had a test refused several times, due to no VIN
plate. It's 1967, it doesn't need one.
Some MoT testers need some education.
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DJT
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| posted on 28/4/16 at 08:53 AM |
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I've a Q-plate.
For my IVA in 2012 I had to comply with the then current regs. I think unchanged since about 2004. I needed a cat and fuel injection to pass.
For my MOTs since there has always been problems to get all the levels just low enough to pass. Not sure why its been that harder than when done at
IVA - maybe a different probe/technique?
Anyway, this year, after discovering the MOT Q-plate rule, I took a print out of that page of the testers manual to the MOT station. They were happy
to do just the visual smoke test. Saved them and me quite a bit of time. Happy days.
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Irony
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| posted on 28/4/16 at 09:24 AM |
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I personally have never understood why some people dislike a Q-Plate. I can see that in the days before the internet and forums getting insurance
used to be a nightmare.
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Irony
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| posted on 28/4/16 at 09:24 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by SteveWallace
I'm confused. So the rules for IVA emission tests differ from the MOT test requirements for the same car?
Does this mean that even though I had to have a catalyst to get through IVA with my 1997 engine, as I have a Q plate I had now might as well chuck the
catalytic converter in the bin?
Awesome!
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SPYDER
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| posted on 28/4/16 at 10:00 AM |
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No actual requirement for hazard warning lights either. Or fog lights.
Although if fitted, they must work. IIRC
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BenB
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| posted on 28/4/16 at 12:43 PM |
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I'm on a Q plate. When they created my V5 they put the emissions limits (from SVA) in the free text box. So far every MOT I've had
they've tested emissions to those limits. Bit strange... Passes fine though as it's an old engine so emissions limits were pretty relaxed
at SVA.
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DJT
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| posted on 28/4/16 at 05:56 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by SPYDER
No actual requirement for hazard warning lights either. Or fog lights.
Although if fitted, they must work. IIRC
"Vehicles having a Q plate registration when presented for MOT are to be treated as follows: For emission purposes only, all these types are to
be considered as vehicles first used before 1 August 1975. For all other testing purposes they are to be considered as being first used on 1 January
1971"
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 28/4/16 at 08:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BenB
I'm on a Q plate. When they created my V5 they put the emissions limits (from SVA) in the free text box. So far every MOT I've had
they've tested emissions to those limits. Bit strange... Passes fine though as it's an old engine so emissions limits were pretty relaxed
at SVA.
This is what I understood was supposed to happen these days. The MOT tester will enter the reg number and be provided with the emissions limits that
were recorded at the SVA/IVA.
If no limits provided then the procedure for Q plate in the manual is followed.
[Edited on 28/4/16 by MikeRJ]
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