Ben 4x4 Shepperd
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 posted on 9/2/03 at 08:41 PM |
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2.8 v6 4x4
I have been thinking of using a Mk indy chassis for a while and was going to go and order it a week on saturday. But I have been told a 2.8 v6 from a
sierra estate with 4x4 (transfer box and front diff) will not fit in the MK chassis is this true ??????
Thanks for any help!!!!!
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locodude
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| posted on 9/2/03 at 11:29 PM |
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True I'm afraid. One of the front drive shafts goes through the sump and then to the front uprights. The engine in an Indy is well behind the front
axle line. It has been done by Dax and a couple of Locosts but to my knowledge never in an Indy. Why would you want to?
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Ben 4x4 Shepperd
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| posted on 11/2/03 at 12:33 AM |
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Is there any way still using an mk indy?
It's just i only have the 2.8 and I wanted to use the 4x4
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B3Saxo
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| posted on 11/2/03 at 10:41 AM |
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Would you be able to remove the front diff? Using a sump from somthing else?
Not very cleaver with this engine.
Why not try and modify the chasis to suit? Prove em all wrong!
Another quality post from B3Saxo!
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James
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| posted on 12/2/03 at 05:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben 4x4 Shepperd
Is there any way still using an mk indy?
Check Ewanspence's posts and website:
http://www.geocities.com/ewanspence/
for what he's had to do. Just as a start you'll have to extend the front drive shaft (so it doesn't run through the sump) and then block the
current sump up.
The difficulty might be fitting it all into the engine bay but I can't see why it's not possible with enough effort. The point is though- it might
be more effort than building a custom chassis from scratch.
HTH,
James
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Ben 4x4 Shepperd
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| posted on 15/2/03 at 05:33 PM |
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cheers! going to go and talk to the people MK this friday and when I phoned they had quite a few ideas I think It might still have to have the engine
sticking out the top of the bonnet and some serious work with the diff and the sump but I haven't been welding long enough for my perants to trust it
so they would prefer to pay for the chassis also I'm hoping to use IRS which is another main reason for using the MK indy as making my own would be a
challenge!!
Thanks for all the help!
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geoff shep
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| posted on 15/2/03 at 08:02 PM |
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Presumably you'd have to re-design the front suspension too as the springs are right where the front driveshaft would go.
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Wadders
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| posted on 15/2/03 at 09:06 PM |
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Hi Ben
don't take this the wrong way,but can i presume from the following extract from your post, that your quite young? Only reason i mention it is have
you checked out the insurance on a 2.9 V6?. Why have all the hassle and expense of modifying a well proven chassis to suit an unproven engine and 4x4
setup. Why not flog the V6 and put the money towards a bike motor, 900cc will be cheap to insure and is a well proven match for the MK chassis.
If you want ultimate performance on a budget i reckon becs are hard to beat. I'm sure someone at MK will be happy to take you out in a Bec, believe
me it's a real eye opener.
good luck with whatever option you go for
ATB
Al
]Originally posted by Ben 4x4 Shepperd but I haven't been welding long enough for my perants to trust it ;
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Ben 4x4 Shepperd
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| posted on 16/2/03 at 11:45 PM |
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yeah I'm only 15, going to go ask mk on friday but probably will have to change engines, are bike engines easy to get hold of? I only wanted to use
the 2.8 v6 because I already have it stripped and ready it was my mum's old car that was "redundant"
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James
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| posted on 17/2/03 at 11:52 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben 4x4 Shepperd
yeah I'm only 15, going to go ask mk on friday but probably will have to change engines, are bike engines easy to get hold of?
Wadders, Ben
If you've got the money then yes they're pretty easy. But you're talking getting on for £900 for a Blade engine and similar for a ZX9R I believe.
Along with the other bits you'll have to buy to get it running (like expensive bits to get the sequential shift going) then I'd imagine you've got
several years worth of insurance payments!
The problem is going to be finding out now how much your insurance will be when you're 17. A lot of companies won't give you a quote for more than 1
month in advance!
Anyway, Ben, what are you doing at your age building cars? You should be worrying about drinking cider, girls and smoking drugs not getting your hands
oily in your spare time!   **
Good Luck,
James
** Not that I condone such things of course! What you should be doing is studying for your GCSEs like I did every night!
[Edited on 17/2/03 by James]
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kingr
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| posted on 17/2/03 at 01:11 PM |
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Ben,
Not wanting to dishearten you, while insurance is a lot cheaper on a kit car, it's still not exactly perfect for younger people. I'm 19, and when
getting quotes was told by all the 3 or 4 companies I phoned that they simply wouldn't insure me on anything above 1.6 until I was 21. However, this
meant any state of tune below 1.6, so screaming 16v s or bike engines are fine.
Why do you want a 4x4 anyway? Traction really shouldn't be that much of a problem, the rear wheels provide by far the majority of the traction when
accelerating anyway. 4wd adds a lot of complexity, weight and inefficiency, not to mention tyre wear. My advice would be to ditch the engine, keep the
rear sub assy (limited slip diff) and get another engine (take your pick), you'll need another gearbox, but MT75/type 9s aren't difficult to get
hold of.
Incidentaly, what are you planning on using this for? Are you (quite cunningly, I must admit) anticipating your 17th and building it for then so you
can wee all over your mates in their 1.0 Novas, or is it for track days or what? If you want a big engine for the numbers game, don't worry, it's
even better fun when you get asked how big your engine is, you say 0.9 litres, they laugh, and then you crap on them.
I wish my parents had bought me a chassis. I work full time and plough every spare penny into the car and it's still gonna take a long time to
complete, but then it is gonna have some fancy bits (OZ super Ls, Bike engine of some description ideal would be an R1, nice clocks, kliktronics,
tektronics, Cobra seats, you get the impression)
Good luck whatever you choose, it's great that you've got such supportive parents.
Kingr
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Wadders
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| posted on 17/2/03 at 02:34 PM |
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Bike engine packages can be had for less than £900 if you shop around, and there are cheaper alternatives than the blade and Kawi, one word of caution
though, try to buy from a reputable source and make sure the engine number hasn't been tampered with. As for the gearshift, unless you want a fancy
push button shift, then rigging up a hand operated gear change is both simple and cheap.
Insurance wise, i'm fairly sure that because you will be insuring a 900cc "car" it will be cheaper than a 2800cc car.
ATB
Alan
If you've got the money then yes they're pretty easy. But you're talking getting on for £900 for a Blade engine and similar for a ZX9R I believe.
Along with the other bits you'll have to buy to get it running (like expensive bits to get the sequential shift going) then I'd imagine you've got
several years worth of insurance payments!
The problem is going to be finding out now how much your insurance will be when you're 17. A lot of companies won't give you a quote for more than 1
month in advance!
Anyway, Ben, what are you doing at your age building cars? You should be worrying about drinking cider, girls and smoking drugs not getting your hands
oily in your spare time! **
Good Luck,
James
** Not that I condone such things of course! What you should be doing is studying for your GCSEs like I did every night!
[Edited on 17/2/03 by James]
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Ben 4x4 Shepperd
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| posted on 17/2/03 at 11:07 PM |
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don't worry I get up to enuff mischief after dark!! But with the engine It might be more of a track and occasional road car but eventually it will
have a lot more power once I get some more cash for insurance and performance parts. As I have been in a turbo technics sierra 2.9 and that was
seriously quick (my dad used to have one untill he lost all his points but 1 on his licence so bought a landrover!) also thinking about putting the
EFI off a 2.9 on as well as quick flow air stuff. My mate is building a vauxhall racer special (1398) I think which is a classic so as mine isn't as
classical it has to be a lot quicker also quicker than his dad's porshe!!
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Metal Hippy™
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| posted on 17/2/03 at 11:11 PM |
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If you want it quicker than a Porsche use a decent bike engine.
Cheaper insurance and the added advantage of being able to gloat about a 900cc engine whooping an expensive sportscar...
President of the Non-conformist Locost Builders Club. E-mail for details...
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Marcus
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| posted on 18/2/03 at 08:20 PM |
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Ben, even with a standard X-flow, you're looking at 7s or less to 60, more than a match for a TT 2.8 Sierra. And you're much lower to the groung so
it feels twice as fast. Serious speed 0-60 in 3.2s can be had from 'blade engine, see Jon Isons creation.
Big engines = big weight, keep it light, keep it fast!
Marcus
Marcus
Because kits are for girls!!
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donut
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| posted on 19/2/03 at 09:10 AM |
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If you want performance sell the v6. Buy a blade engine (loads about) then when you're old enough pop in a Hyabusa (or however you spell it) lump.
Don't forget car engines are damn heavy and bike engines are very light.
Take a trip out in a bike engined car....you won't look back. EVERYONE who tries bike..goes bike!!!!!
As for me i'm an old old man so it's pipe, slippers and a pinto for me.
Good luck
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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Metal Hippy™
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| posted on 19/2/03 at 06:37 PM |
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I've been for a rather quick blast as a passenger in the Ison Blade and I'm using a 3.5 litre straight six Beemer unit....
President of the Non-conformist Locost Builders Club. E-mail for details...
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Ben 4x4 Shepperd
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| posted on 21/2/03 at 09:09 PM |
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cheers for all the info came back from MK today convinced that bike engines are the way for younger builders as insurance other wise will cost more
than the car!!
Got a 2.8 v6 with 4x4 if any one wants to buy it off me i live nr. hastings east sussex
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donut
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| posted on 22/2/03 at 07:28 AM |
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Glad to see you're going the bike route. For you it's the most sensible way i'm sure and you won't be dissapointed!
Good luck
Andy
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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