rpsmith
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| posted on 6/4/06 at 11:47 AM |
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MK Indy Donor
I know this question has probably been asked a hundered times, but i would like some assistance in knowing what donor Sierra would suit an MK Indy.
I know that a 2 litre Pinto would be the best option, but as these are like rocking horse droppings, what would be the next best option?
I was thinking af a 1.8 CHV but i don't know if i need a late or early model
Thanks
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Hellfire
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| posted on 6/4/06 at 11:59 AM |
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Best donor vehicle for an MK Indy would be a Kawasaki ZX12R.
Ooops, just realised you said best Sierra donor 
It really depends on how much of it you intend using and whether you want a LSD or not. From your post, it looks like you intend using the engine and
as much of the running gear as possible.
Although I cannot answer your question, I'm sure someone will be along shortly. Welcome to the nut house 
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rpsmith
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| posted on 6/4/06 at 12:06 PM |
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Yes, just to clear things up, this will be my first build and i intend to use as much of the donor as possible.
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DarrenW
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| posted on 6/4/06 at 12:17 PM |
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I used a H-reg 2.0 DOHC GLS Sierra for my donor and bought a Pinto seperately. Sierra was cheap but been off the road for ages so had to exchange
brakes for new recon ones. Gearbox was MT75 which i sold on. Finding Pinto Sierra would be cheaper but as you say easier said than done. My father
found a Sierra that had just been brought into a small local dly scrappie, they delivered to his house and collected the shell for a small fee.
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BKLOCO
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| posted on 6/4/06 at 12:20 PM |
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It depends what you want from your car.
If you want to be able to tune the engine. If you just want to slap something in you can use. If you want max HP/£ etc etc.
The pinto is the easiest/cheepest/most responsive to tune.
The 1.8 CVH does not tune well or cheeply. The 1.6 CVH responds well to tuning alyhought parts are not as readily available as the Pinto.
The 2.0L DOHC. Is heavy and not a favoured engine for some reason although there are people fitting them on here.
My advice would be to buy any old sierra as cheep as pos. Strip the bits you want (G box/diff etc.) Then source an engine from elsewhere. Vauxhall,
Zetec, Duratec, Toyota. etc. etc.
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want!!! 
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iscmatt
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| posted on 6/4/06 at 12:25 PM |
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i've used a DOHC 2.0i sierra GLX. i'm using all the bits the only thing i can't use is the power steering rack but mk are really
helpful and they are suppling me with one that will fit the bill. Mk are also adjusting the chassie in order to fit the efi injection unit. You have
definatly chosen the right manufacturer in MK they are really friend and will give you all the help you need - get down there for test drive and chat.
I think they are open every sat morning and there are usually a few people there.
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rpsmith
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| posted on 6/4/06 at 12:39 PM |
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iscmatt
Does the DOHC engine fit as standard then, and what alterations are required?
Does that use the MT75 gearbox, or is that with a Type 9?
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iscmatt
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| posted on 6/4/06 at 01:16 PM |
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its the mt75 gearbox which mk are widing the tunnel for and the bonnet is being raised by 1 inch by using a piece of 1"x1" chassis steel
on the top bar of the chassis. its equaled out, the steel will show but they can powder coat it or you can paint it the same colour as your fibreglass
plus its a good talking point! it is done by mk as part of the kit. Its not much work really and as i say its part of the kit so no exta cost
[Edited on 6/4/06 by iscmatt]
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Bluemoon
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| posted on 6/4/06 at 02:49 PM |
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It is possible to fit the 1.8CVH. We had the same problem, and have decided to fit one. Our sierra (1992, 1.8CVH with carbaretors) came with the type
9 gearbox and none power assisted steering rack, all of which you will need.
If you take this root tuning is difficult and you will also have to source your own engine mounts and down pipes etc. But having said this talk to/u2u
surrey dave, has had bike throttle bodys on his 1.8 CVH... It's quite possible to go this root.
We found 2years ago that pinto sierras that did'nt have nackered pinto engines (we wanted to do minimal re-building) are like rocking horse poo
(at least around Oxforshire). So the CVH was choosen. Besides the 1.8 CVH is fine if you like to go your own way and tinker... They also are easy to
get as the kitcar people don't like em, so if you kancker one, it's cheap and simple to replace.....
If you go the DOHC root, find out about the timming chain. From what I have picked up it has a habbit breaking or the tensoner failing at arround 100K
(I might be wrong, but I would find about about it).
Cheers
Dan
[Edited on 6/4/06 by Bluemoon]
[Edited on 6/4/06 by Bluemoon]
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rpsmith
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| posted on 6/4/06 at 03:01 PM |
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Cheers Dan
I'm not that bothered at the moment about tuning and just want to get a car on the road with the least amount of trouble.
Does it matter what age 1.8 CHV you get, could i go for a late model, (hopefully less mileage)
Have you managed to source engine mounts, down pipes etc, if so where and how much?
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DarrenW
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| posted on 6/4/06 at 03:09 PM |
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i know you are not worried about tuning etc but id recommend having a thought about your final goal. i chose Pinto cos i thought it would be cheap and
fancied 16V in the end. Ive ended up spending good money getting the Pinto respectable, to the point where ill loose too much now if i swap. At least
i now have a good exhaust system, new ignition etc etc so tuning is still a real option. Id be gutted if id done the same with an engine that wasnt so
future friendly.
In my experience the builds take a while so its not so hard to string it out a bit longer to spread the cost and fit what you really want. You will be
surprised how your budget will grow when you see what is available. I was on a tight budget until i saw stainless exhaust system, DigiDash2
...........
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rpsmith
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| posted on 6/4/06 at 03:19 PM |
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If i could find a Pinto, i would build a Pinto, but that is the biggest problem.
If i go the 1.8 route, i could then fit a 16v in a couple of years time when funds allow, but my initial plan was to get the car on the road as
cheaply as possible and then spend the next few years tinkering.
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whitestu
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| posted on 6/4/06 at 03:45 PM |
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I'm building with a 1.8 CVH for exactly the reasons you stated - I got a low mileage sapphire with Type 9 box and non power rack for £45.
I've made my own engine mounts by modifying the MK Pinto ones and bought a second hand stainless Westfield 1.6 CVH exhaust which fits
perfectly.
The only other things I have had to modify so far are the sump / pick up pipe and the alternator mounting.
Otherwise the 1.8 fits really well.
In terms of cheap tuning I understand that the 1.8 block can be fitted with a 1.6 CVH head so long as different pistons are used.
Using second hand bits I think such an engine could be built cheaply to give good power, although I should think a good condition 1.8 CVH will be
plenty powerful enough for me.
The MK demonstrator I drove supposedly had an 88BHP Pinto from a Transit van and that went pretty well.
Good luck
Stu
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iscmatt
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| posted on 6/4/06 at 03:47 PM |
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just to let you that mk are sorting my engine mounts - all i have to do is deliver the engine and they will make the chassis to fit around it. i found
that sourcing a pinto was very near impossible! though when i went to mk they said they always have pinto engines there.
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iscmatt
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| posted on 6/4/06 at 03:51 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by whitestu
I'm building with a 1.8 CVH for exactly the reasons you stated - I got a low mileage sapphire with Type 9 box and non power rack for £45.
I've made my own engine mounts by modifying the MK Pinto ones and bought a second hand stainless Westfield 1.6 CVH exhaust which fits
perfectly.
The only other things I have had to modify so far are the sump / pick up pipe and the alternator mounting.
Otherwise the 1.8 fits really well.
In terms of cheap tuning I understand that the 1.8 block can be fitted with a 1.6 CVH head so long as different pistons are used.
Using second hand bits I think such an engine could be built cheaply to give good power, although I should think a good condition 1.8 CVH will be
plenty powerful enough for me.
The MK demonstrator I drove supposedly had an 88BHP Pinto from a Transit van and that went pretty well.
Good luck
Stu
The MK car i was demonstrated had a bike engine, the speedo was showing 170mph in 2nd - i was then told it hadn't been calibrated - phew! (we
were atually doing around 90mph but we didn't know what gear as the gear indicator wasn't working!
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Bluemoon
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| posted on 7/4/06 at 08:57 AM |
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Hello Again,
As the age, I'm not to sure, ours was a non injection model. (Also note it's not yet in the indy! but will be by the end of next week).
The engine mounts will be welded by a friend at work, steel was free from MK, so cost to me will be zero... We are miles from MK so there is no chance
of bring it down and getting them to sort this bit (you might be close enough, you might even be able to do this when you pick up the kit if you chat
to MK??).
I will be using Daves old down pipe (not ideal but cheap), so can't help you there. But he best option would be a second hand Westie 1.6CVH
manfold, watch out on ebay.
Do remeber that the resale value might be less with the 1.8CVH, since it's not liked (although if the rest of the car is build to a high
standard, It will probably make little diffrance). This is not a problem for me as we don't intend selling it in the sort term.
You might wan't to consider a Zetec engine as an option as well (they are getting cheap, when we started the build they were not!! but you need
to think about all the other bit's you'll need to get it running in the MK).
Cheers
Dan
[Edited on 7/4/06 by Bluemoon]
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rpsmith
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| posted on 7/4/06 at 11:46 AM |
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Cheers Dan, that is very helpful, and i am thinking the same as you, i do not intend on building it to sell.
I think the Zetec option would be one for the future as the cost of all the additional bits puts the price up considerably.
Cheers
Richard
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whitestu
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| posted on 7/4/06 at 01:58 PM |
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I've put a couple of pics of my engine in the car in my archive if you want to have a look.
Cheers
Stu
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rpsmith
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| posted on 7/4/06 at 02:48 PM |
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Stu
Is that an early or late (injection) model CHV
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whitestu
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| posted on 7/4/06 at 06:52 PM |
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Hi
It's a '90 carb model
Stu
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