DaveFJ
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 posted on 31/7/09 at 01:15 PM |
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Pay to park at work! WTF!
Have a look here
link
Basically its a scheme to make us pay tax for the privelige of parking at work!
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 01:23 PM |
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parking at nottingham university hospitals for staff is £18.60 a month or £223 a year.
hope for my coworkers they wont get charged this as well 
Craig
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blakep82
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 01:27 PM |
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hmmm...
seems the government would rather no one went to work!
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MikeR
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 01:39 PM |
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no, they'd rather you didn't drive to work.
Obviously you'll now claim you can't get to work - then you have to get a job closer to home or move.
Eventually public services like busses will take off more and we'll be back to where we where in the 50's and 60's with people
living close to work.
(thats the theory - i'll be hit by it as well)
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edspurrier
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 01:47 PM |
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As soon as they make my 50 mile drive to work possible on public transport I'll give it a go. Until then their parking tax theivery can be
placed smewhere dark
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 01:49 PM |
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If my daily 2 mile commute didnt cost at least 10 times the cost in petrol i would be interested!!!
if they dont invest in public transport and make it affordable then it will never work.
[Edited on 31-7-09 by DaveFJ]
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 01:53 PM |
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He he he
Motor bikes are the way to go  free parking anywhere and tiny running costs  I’ve saved £700 in fuel going just to and from work in the last 4
months alone using it and traffic congestion is totally irrelevant joy
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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clairetoo
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 01:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
hmmm...
seems the government would rather no one went to work!
Or..........if they cant have all your money , then neither can you 
My 10 minute drive to work would take more than an hour by bus , and would include a mile or so of walking.......
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 01:58 PM |
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in defence of public transport - use of my bike and the train saves me £50 a month in fuel plus the hidden costs of running my old car. It also takes
about as much time (faster if its raining) than going by car through 2 cities worth of rush hour twice a day.
[Edited on 31/7/09 by cd.thomson]
Craig
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 02:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by edspurrier
As soon as they make my 50 mile drive to work possible on public transport I'll give it a go. Until then their parking tax theivery can be
placed smewhere dark
Hope that doesn’t mean using the bus? Cos then you you’ll seen how much using the bus costs these days. To get to my work which is a 20 minute journey
on the bike, 40 minutes in the car, takes 2hrs on a public bus, using 4 busses a day! Most of the time your standing, it’s freezing in the winter and
I mean inside the busses. Noisier and more uncomfortable than an old landrover, and for that it cost £60 a week in fares bl$$dy rip off
[Edited on 31/7/09 by Mr Whippy]
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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iank
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 02:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
quote:
Originally posted by edspurrier
As soon as they make my 50 mile drive to work possible on public transport I'll give it a go. Until then their parking tax theivery can be
placed smewhere dark
Hope that doesn’t mean using the bus? Cos then you you’ll seen how much using the bus costs these days. To get to my work which is a 20 minute journey
on the bike, 40minutes in the car, takes 2hrs on a public bus, using 4 busses a day! Most of the time your standing, it’s freezing in the winter and I
mean inside the busses. Noisier and more uncomfortable than an old landrover, and for that it cost £60 a week in fares bl$$dy rip off
[Edited on 31/7/09 by Mr Whippy]
That's just on the good days when they turn up close to on time. I used to have a reasonable train->bus commute a few years ago, but they
changed the bus routes so it became train->20min walk->bus->40min walk, then they put the prices up
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SteveWalker
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 02:12 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
no, they'd rather you didn't drive to work.
Obviously you'll now claim you can't get to work - then you have to get a job closer to home or move.
Eventually public services like busses will take off more and we'll be back to where we where in the 50's and 60's with people
living close to work.
(thats the theory - i'll be hit by it as well)
That's all well and good, but moving closer to work is not an option these days with husband and wife both working and no-one having a job for
life. In just under twenty years, I have had staff positions at three different companies and contract positions at seven more, but I've lived
in the same house for sixteen years and before that, my parents house.
At only one place was public transport possible (unless I wanted to spend four or more hours of each day commuting) and even then I had to drive to a
station, catch the train in and when I was ready to depart, I had to waste time waiting for a later train as the others didn't stop at my return
station (services were cut to prevent delays to increased inter-city services).
It is simply not possible for people to uproot their family, change their kids schools, etc. every time their job disappears again and even if they
could, what about their partner who would then have to commute the other way.
It's time for governments to admit that unless they can drastically change the economy so that people can find and keep work locally and
drastically improve public transport so that journeys from A to B are possible, rather than A to B via changes, waits, delays and uncertainties at C
& D, then private transport is an essential, not a luxury for many.
In my opinion, the best and simplest way to reduce travelling and congestion would be for government to pressure companies (maybe through the tax
system) into making working from home the norm for many. For many whose jobs cannot be done from home, travel could be greatly eased by a presumption
of a right to flexible working, allowing work hours to be fitted to travel options. That would leave only those whose work has to be performed at
specific locations and times needing to travel during the busy periods.
For my type of work, it would make great sense to work from home four days a week, only going in for one day to "keep in touch," have
meetings, socialise, etc. There is no need to monitor hours, as targets are set for work to be completed and as long as they are met or good reason
given for any delays, actual hours worked are immaterial.
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whitestu
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 02:13 PM |
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quote:
Motor bikes are the way to go free parking anywhere and tiny running costs
They are starting to charge for bike parking in London now.
As soon as they get away with a parking tax on cars they'll move onto bikes.
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eznfrank
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 02:13 PM |
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The bus for me and the missus works out £8.20 per day, and we would have to leave home at 7:30 to get to our offices in Leeds just before 9.
Whereas in the iQ, it costs around £1.80 in petrol, I can set off at 8.20 park underneath work and still be at my desk with a bacon butty and latte in
hand for before 9.
Public transport is just such a no-brainer, parking would have to be around £150 a month to make me think twice
No contest
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 02:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by whitestu
quote:
Motor bikes are the way to go free parking anywhere and tiny running costs
They are starting to charge for bike parking in London now.
As soon as they get away with a parking tax on cars they'll move onto bikes.
even if they do that, the bike still does 110mpg and cost £15 a year on road tax.
Public transport is about 10 times as expensive and 6 times slower for me to use
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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P ?
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 02:23 PM |
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is it free to park a motor bike, most of the carparks cars pay in give free bike parking !!!
P.s posted this not realising most of the ppl already covered this :s didnt see their was 2 pages lol
[Edited on 31/7/09 by P ?]
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trogdor
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 02:28 PM |
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I don't think it should be compulsory to pay to park, where I work there is some much space to park its ridiculous to have to pay!
However some places need it, where my mum works in Liverpool is almost impossible to park in the building she works in there are so many people with
passes.
She has to park 15min walk away and pay for the pleasure of that. She tends to alternate between driving and getting the bus as will the cost of the
parking included in using the car its about the same as the bus.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 02:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by trogdor
I don't think it should be compulsory to pay to park, where I work there is some much space to park its ridiculous to have to pay!
However some places need it, where my mum works in Liverpool is almost impossible to park in the building she works in there are so many people with
passes.
She has to park 15min walk away and pay for the pleasure of that. She tends to alternate between driving and getting the bus as will the cost of the
parking included in using the car its about the same as the bus.
In that case the company should charter a coach as my last place did as there was little in the way of parking spaces. It was a great idea, usually
almost full and picked and dropped everyone off at the center of town, plus it was free for the employee's. Shell also does a lot of that too.
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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smart51
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 02:45 PM |
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Its a sad reflection on the lack of leadership on behalf of our politicians. They know there's a problem but they cant find a solution. More
broadly it fits into the 2 key positions of New Labour:
1) the only solution to any problem is to tax it
2) We are in charge and will make you do what we say and by force if necessary, though really we'd rather just tax you into it.
The problem is that there are more people who want to drive than there are spaces on city streets or busy motorways. We either need to travel less
at peak times, or travel by other means or build more roads.
Building roads, railways or more bus lanes is too hard for our limp politicans and it costs some money and they can't be arsed. Tax raises
money.
The problem is deeper than this though. We can no longer expect a job for life. We are expected to be flexible with work and move about as needed,
for instance in a recession when we lose our jobs. House prices are more than the average person can realistically afford so the only choice open to
us is to travel to work from where we live, even if that means travelling. further.
Public transport outside of London is just appalling. I've been to Hong Kong where public transport is simply excellent. Here in Birmingham,
Britain's second biggest city, it is so poor as to be unusable unless you really have to. That means the road is the only viable option.
Government wants to make us use public transport rather than cars and is trying to tax us into it. It won't work. Road travel will have to be
LOADS worse than it is not for public transport to become a concevible option.
I used to work in Solihull on the other side of the city. It was a 35 minute journey by car. Solihull council threatened to tax car parking spaces
so I looked at public transport as an alternative. To travel 13 miles each way took 5 busses a day, 2 out and 3 back. My work place just happened to
be on the A34 - a main bus route. It took 2 1/2 hours each way and would cost more per day than owning and running a small car. Just how much would
you have to tax me to spend 20 extra hours per week getting to and from work and have to suffer bus travel rather than a car? Even if they slowed
average car speeds to 6 MPH it would still be faster than the bus.
This is the root of the problem and they're just incapable of fixing it. The problem WILL NOT go away until they do. A tax on road travel
will not fix the need to go to work. A tax on parking will only make people park on the roads. Neither Brown's lot nor Cameron's lot
have got the answer. They don't even have seemed to think about the problem.
There's a problem? Tax it. It's still a problem? Tax it some more. Still a problem? Yet more tax. Still a problem? Just how much
more tax is it going to take?
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coozer
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 02:45 PM |
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Leaving your car at home is OK if you have public transport. (read big city's)
I live on the edge of Tyne & Wear/ Co.Durham and can get a bus to Newcastle 20 miles away every 15 minutes. takes about 40mins on the express.
Loads of options including the Metro.
My work (left today) was 5 miles the other way over the border into Co. Durham.
Only way to get to work by public transport (8 am start) is to get the first bus to Peterlee @ 06.05, then wait for the connection up to the ind
estate that would get me there for 7.45.
So, walking, bus, waiting, bus, walking = 2 hours to commute 5 miles?? This government need someone like guy forks to visit them again. Tossers!
And I think an electric vehicle would have suited me for that short commute considering the recharge time.
But, now I'm at the mercy of the job centre I'll enjoy the 2 mile walk to sign on, as long as its not pissing down like!
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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Sam
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 03:07 PM |
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quote:
In my opinion, the best and simplest way to reduce travelling and congestion would be for government to pressure companies (maybe through the tax
system) into making working from home the norm for many. For many whose jobs cannot be done from home, travel could be greatly eased by a presumption
of a right to flexible working, allowing work hours to be fitted to travel options. That would leave only those whose work has to be performed at
specific locations and times needing to travel during the busy periods.
Goverment put pressure on companies maybe through the tax system !!! Don't you think they do that enough, obviously not in business !
Working from home, targets !! Targets smargets what a joke !!
Flexible hours !! Not practical, I want people in work when I can see what there doing. i.e doing my hours !!
Give an inch and most people take a mile. One in a million might actually have the ethics to put in a full days work when no ones watching ! Dont
suggest companies bear more of the brunt for poor politics !! GGGrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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SteveWalker
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 03:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Sam
quote:
In my opinion, the best and simplest way to reduce travelling and congestion would be for government to pressure companies (maybe through the tax
system) into making working from home the norm for many. For many whose jobs cannot be done from home, travel could be greatly eased by a presumption
of a right to flexible working, allowing work hours to be fitted to travel options. That would leave only those whose work has to be performed at
specific locations and times needing to travel during the busy periods.
Goverment put pressure on companies maybe through the tax system !!! Don't you think they do that enough, obviously not in business !
Working from home, targets !! Targets smargets what a joke !!
Flexible hours !! Not practical, I want people in work when I can see what there doing. i.e doing my hours !!
Give an inch and most people take a mile. One in a million might actually have the ethics to put in a full days work when no ones watching ! Dont
suggest companies bear more of the brunt for poor politics !! GGGrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
This is exactly the problem I'm talking about - most management want people where they can see them, during specific hours. During those hours
they can do a certain quantity of work, but often this is not measured, only the time they spend there. As long as that work quantity is known and
targets can be set, why does it matter where and when they work, as long as the correct quantity and quality of work is completed?
I design industrial control systems, my input is specifications, data sheets, standards, drawings, etc. and my output is similar. At the stage of
quoting for a contract, the planners cost out the hours needed and produce a schedule. As long as I can complete my work to their schedule, why does
anyone need to see me sat a particular desk from 9 to 5 each day? Indeed two design jobs that I completed were quoted by myself as fixed price
contracts, where and when I worked was up to me - in fact one of them was completed in the evenings in a hotel room when I had sod all else to do as I
was working away long term for a different company. The work was completed to schedule and handed over, no supervision necessary, no monitoring of
hours, no clocking in and out. Simply setting and meeting of a target.
Where work is of a type that can be done this way (and much office work is), there would be many benefits *to* companies - happier workforce, less
office space required, less heating/cooling, smaller car parks required, etc. Government taxation to push this would have to be targetted not to
damage businesses, it would have to be punish companies that unecessarily insisted on old-fashioned office setups where homeworking was a sensible
option - working on a cost neutral basis.
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gregs
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 03:53 PM |
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Biggest problem is that the public transport simply isn't there at the right quality and cost, until the government / councils start seeing it
as a service to support industry and the population rather than a money making venture then it's unlikely to get better.... with regard to
Nottingham,does it have a park and ride? - I guess if it does, the council are doing the right thing by 'discouraging' people on to
it....but I guess there should be a flip side such as the tax is only payable if there is a service available to the locale at the right speed (and it
would need to cost less than the parking!!)
Just to add, when I lived in Germany, the council did a similar thing - pedestrianised the inner 1/2 mile of the city 16hrs of the day....worked
really well...
[Edited on 31/7/09 by gregs]
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 04:33 PM |
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I do use public transport to go to work - I commute by train two-thirds of the way into London. I still have to drive 5 miles to the station though,
as there's absolutely no buses. The train does take longer, but the daily drive would be intolerable - 45 miles each way on the A12, which is
like the M25 but without the good driving skills...
Unfortunately, the trains are on strike for every Thursday & Friday, this week and the three weeks after. So I have had to drive, as work
pressures meant that I couldn't work from home.
When they're not on strike, the train companies treat their passengers like dirt - which is appropriate, considering the state of their
carriages.
[Edited on 31/7/09 by David Jenkins]
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 31/7/09 at 04:35 PM |
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I just checked my route out which is from liverpool to manchester.
It takes between 35-55 minutes to do the drive depending on traffic etc. it would take a minimum of 2 hours public transport with a total of 30
minutes walk each way.
I live and work in a pretty well serviced area, I hate to think what it would do to everyone who lived/worked in more rural areas.
A RICOCKULOUS idea.
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