SidewaysMatt
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 posted on 8/9/04 at 11:06 AM |
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Engine choice
First off, hello everyone. Been following the board for a while and though it was about time I joined in!
I'm going to be ordering an Indy in the next few weeks. But I'm still undecided about an engine, bike or zetec?
I plan to use the car for the usual weekend jaunts, plus maybe an occasional commute to work in the summer (100 mile round trip), and maybe 1 or 2
trackdays during the year.
For this, I guess a zetec would be more practical, but I still can't shake the idea of a bike engine.
But whichever, it will need to accelerate quicker than my scooby.
Would appreciate anyones views/experience on this.
Cheers.
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shortie
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 11:12 AM |
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BEC everytime for me, awesome acceleration!!
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Arjan356
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 11:22 AM |
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Hi, I had the same problem.
I wanted the high rev sound (F1) but was afraid that a BEC to difficult was drive in town.
Then I've driven a Indy with a ZX-12 engine and gues what I'm building.
The only problem is the reverse, but I'm working on it.
Succes,
Arjan
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Hellfire
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 11:28 AM |
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Matt,
try and get a ride in both to see which you prefer. 
Then start looking for a bike engine 
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john_p_b
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 11:39 AM |
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after looking at how easy it appears to fit a bike engine into one of these even compared to a simplistic pinto i think if i do it again i'll
deffinatly go for a bike engine 
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ned
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 11:43 AM |
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don't rule out high revving car engines, toyota and honda engines are revvy, light and will out accelerate your scooby in a seven. a lightweight
zetec/vauxhall/duratec would also be as quick as most bec's with more midrange and top end grunt. then there are the turbo engines, nissan 1.8
turbo (175bhp) cossie, rs turbo cvh or even the mazda rotary.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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SidewaysMatt
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 11:45 AM |
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Looking unanimous at the moment then! Think I'll have to try a drive in both. Do MK have demonstrators for both?
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Hellfire
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 11:51 AM |
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Not at this moment in time, but if you turn up on a Saturday, chances are there will be a few of each there. (Providing weathers OK) And I'm
sure they'd be more than willing to take you for a spin.
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SidewaysMatt
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 11:53 AM |
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Hi Ned,
I had thought of the Toyota 4AGE. But I guess I'm shying away from "non-standard" fitments, due to then having to make up mountings
etc.
I did help a mate build a westy a good few years ago with a 2 litre Vauxhall 16V and that was pretty quick.
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SidewaysMatt
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 11:55 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
Not at this moment in time, but if you turn up on a Saturday, chances are there will be a few of each there. (Providing weathers OK) And I'm
sure they'd be more than willing to take you for a spin.
Cool. Would be interesting to do a back-to-back comparison that way.
BTW, I followed your build on your site. Top looking motor
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shortie
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 12:29 PM |
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lets have a bet then, I bet you choose the bike engine after riding in both
Rich.
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Chris Green
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 12:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by SidewaysMatt
Hi Ned,
I had thought of the Toyota 4AGE. But I guess I'm shying away from "non-standard" fitments, due to then having to make up mountings
etc.
I did help a mate build a westy a good few years ago with a 2 litre Vauxhall 16V and that was pretty quick.
Raw Engineering use the 4AGE in their Striker kit.
www.rawengineering.co.uk
I would think that they would supply mounts etc.
Hope this Helps,
Chris.
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SidewaysMatt
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 12:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Chris Green
quote:
Originally posted by SidewaysMatt
Hi Ned,
I had thought of the Toyota 4AGE. But I guess I'm shying away from "non-standard" fitments, due to then having to make up mountings
etc.
I did help a mate build a westy a good few years ago with a 2 litre Vauxhall 16V and that was pretty quick.
Raw Engineering use the 4AGE in their Striker kit.
www.rawengineering.co.uk
I would think that they would supply mounts etc.
Hope this Helps,
Chris.
Just had a shufties, £39 for the mounts.
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zetec
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 07:21 PM |
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I went for the zetec as it's easy to live with around town or on the track. With 170bhp I suspect performance is about the same as a
Fireblade/R1 BEC. Cost to build is a bit more but it's down to what you want from the car.
Might be worth getting advice from Jasper as the last time I saw him he was thinking of changing from bike to car power. I'm sure he would be
able to give a balanced view.
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shortie
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 10:00 PM |
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In truth Zetec is right, really depends what you want from the car, I loved the sound and feeling of bike power and the frantic revving but I have
also been in some very quick and nice sounding car engined cars.
Zetec's car is lovely and you can pick up a zetec engine these days for a reasonable price.
Rich.
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SidewaysMatt
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| posted on 9/9/04 at 09:15 AM |
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Thanks
Thanks everyone for your views. I think I'll have to arrange a trip over to MK to have a go myself.
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DEAN C.
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| posted on 9/9/04 at 08:36 PM |
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If your'e doing a lot more road miles then why not 4AGE,i've driven most engines now in Indy's, and I bet my 4AGE will give most
BEC's a good run for ther money when it's on the road shortly,it might even be on the track even sooner if I can sort a day out.
If I was going for a bike engine I'd go for a Blackbird first and a zx9 if I needed to keep the budget down,but I must admit bledes run nice as
well ..
I must admit though that after driving Martins GT2 on the friday night before Donnington for about 15 miles with Martin following in his van(he was on
two wheels most of the time)I dont know if I would fit a Blackbird or a 4 Age in it when I put my order in,sorry I meant IF(just in case the wifes
looking)..
Once I've finished a project why do I start another?
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DEAN C.
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| posted on 9/9/04 at 08:43 PM |
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PS.If you go for a Toyota ,Mel Coppack at Raw is a great bloke to help you and he willsupply most of your bits to fit a 4AGE in an Indy.
I'll make your engine mounts for a few beer tokens or you can copy mine if you wish,that goes for anyone else too.
Oh yes ! my last post should have read Blades not Bledes,didn't check it properly honest I can spell really!
Once I've finished a project why do I start another?
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SidewaysMatt
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| posted on 10/9/04 at 07:29 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by snoopy
why has no one mentioned duratec yet better horse power than a zetec plus all alley just not cheap yet
[Edited on 9/9/04 by snoopy]
Err, yes the last bit
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Hellfire
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| posted on 10/9/04 at 11:19 AM |
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Or Honda S2000 engine if price ain't an issue
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DEAN C.
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| posted on 10/9/04 at 08:02 PM |
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The Duratec isn't too dear to buy ,its the cost of the bits to make it run !
Anyway dont think it revs as high as a Jap engine ,or does it?
Wonder if a Lexus 200 six cylinder would fit?
Once I've finished a project why do I start another?
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mr loo
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| posted on 11/9/04 at 01:33 PM |
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Hi Matt
Where abouts are you ,i'm in oswestry,just sold my indyblade,but my mate's still got his,sure he'd take you for a spin
[Edited on 11/9/04 by mr loo]
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stressy
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| posted on 11/9/04 at 02:48 PM |
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If your looking at the 4age then it might be worth a look at the k-series too.
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indigoglyph
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| posted on 11/9/04 at 09:01 PM |
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'Which Kit' did a good review of 4-cyl car engines back in June - in the higher ratings were Zetec, K-series and Pinto(!), with 4 stars,
and Duratec and 4-Age with 5. They described the K-series as a 'good budget option' because you could keep the original injection system
and ECU etc.
I still can't decide what to put in the Striker - the donor's 1.6 Pinto (the only way to stay in budget), the 4-Age (with RAW nearby - the
most honest and helpful bunch of blokes you could hope to meet), or a bike lump or ... well, you can dream forever, can't you?
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SidewaysMatt
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| posted on 11/9/04 at 10:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mr loo
Hi Matt
Where abouts are you ,i'm in oswestry,just sold my indyblade,but my mate's still got his,sure he'd take you for a spin
[Edited on 11/9/04 by mr loo]
Hi,
I'm in St Martins. If your mate wouldn't mind, I'd appreciate a blast around the block. Never even ridden in a BEC!
Cheers
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