stephen_gusterson
|
| posted on 21/4/04 at 09:41 PM |
|
|
but rover dont have gasket failures any more than other cars 
atb
steve
quote:
Originally posted by rizla
of course rover wont survive they cant build cars and thier after sales is rubbish just look at all the probs the mgf has had ie head gaskets,master
cylinder failures,wiring burn outs etc and these are the ones the public know about,i know of many more on the 75 and the zr
|
|
|
|
|
flak monkey
|
| posted on 21/4/04 at 09:45 PM |
|
|
Exactly... 
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
|
|
|
NS Dev
|
| posted on 21/4/04 at 10:16 PM |
|
|
I am not a fan of Rover and probably will never be (but I'm still open to the idea!!)
HOWEVER, the rover K-series engine, for all it's headgasket teething problems, is an excellent design of engine, that until recently was well
ahead of most of the competition. It was very light, and extremely tuneable. Let us not forget the really high powered ones around in caterhams etc.
Not all megabuck cheque book engineered engines but a good few self-tuned ones by people like Dave Andrews! I think I remember reading about somebody
called Carmichael, with a 240+hp? 1.8 k-series (naturally aspirated) in a caterham or westfield. Not crap engineering in anybody's book!
As I said, I am not a Rover fan, but their engine development must rate among the best of recent times (let us not forget the excellent KV6, which we
will soon be seeing much more of in competition)
|
|
|
Ferg
|
| posted on 23/4/04 at 06:19 PM |
|
|
quote:
That rover engine is basically a honda engine anyway.....!!
Is it???????????
In what regard?
|
|
|
stephen_gusterson
|
| posted on 23/4/04 at 06:46 PM |
|
|
The K is a british design - the 1.6 used to at one time be honda, as was the 2 litre in the 600
atb
steve
|
|
|
Bigfoot
|
| posted on 24/4/04 at 10:11 AM |
|
|
Gusterthingy is quite right, Rover have been using Honda running gear for while now, surely you must have noticed that they didn't leak oil
anymore.
|
|
|
Ferg
|
| posted on 24/4/04 at 10:30 AM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Bigfoot
Gusterthingy is quite right, Rover have been using Honda running gear for while now, surely you must have noticed that they didn't leak oil
anymore.
Er....the 'k' series has nothing to do with Honda.
|
|
|
flak monkey
|
| posted on 24/4/04 at 10:42 AM |
|
|
From what i understood the K-series was based closely on the honda touring car engines. Although it was british designed and built, the honda design
had quite a bit of influence over it.
I stand to be corrected...
Cheers
David 
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
|
|
|
rizla
|
 posted on 24/4/04 at 05:14 PM |
|
|
the k series is/was british made and desighned that is why it is so bad,heres a thought land rover have admited that the reguler head gasket failur is
a warrenty issue and replace the complete engine for a k2 series,but rover wont even admit theres a problem so they say you pay for it,yet both use
exactly the same engine
oh and the k2 series is basicly the same exept it has a re-desighned block to prevent the gasket from failing,there is no other permanent cure,if
there was landrover would do it
|
|
|
Ferg
|
| posted on 24/4/04 at 06:58 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by rizla
The k series is/was british made and desighned that is why it is so bad.
Hello, good evening and welcome to 'The Sweeping Generalisation Show'..............
Having spoken to various people about Rover HGF it goes something like this......
Failure is no more common first go than any other manufacturer.........
Once failed, however, if the leak isn't spotted quickly the head distorts and occassionally the block, due to the rather thin castings and low
water content of the block.
HGF is particularly bad on mid-engined variants as the thermostat is effectively in the 'bottom hose' or return position so as soon as the
stat opens (using the bypass through the heater matrix to heat it) it receives cold water from the rad and shuts very quickly. This repeats until warm
subjecting the bead and block to rapid expansion and contraction, not good for the silicone rubber gaskets which seal the waterways.
This is why Elise owners and I believe the factory (MGFs) are fitting remote thermostats to the 'top hose' position.
If the head warps it's generally scrap.
Second gasket failures are the thing that has given the engine a bad name.
Not my experience I'll admit, but a precis from a selection of engine remanufacturers and tuners.
Briefly, Rover built an engine that was really TOO light........ good effort, any other company would have spent on development, Rover couldn't
afford it.
The k-series was hit by lack of investment in it's development, not it's bad design....who was in charge at that critical time????
|
|
|
