grassracer
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| posted on 30/4/09 at 10:36 PM |
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Cheapest Way to 200bhp
As in the title, I'm looking at a transplant for my race car to achieve approx 200bhp (flywheel). Some simple rules, no turbos, superchargers,
maximum capacity for 16v motors is 2.0 and it must mate to a rwd box fairly easily!! Now I know nothing is going to be dirt cheap but how would you
recommend getting there on a budget ??
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twybrow
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| posted on 30/4/09 at 10:40 PM |
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Vauxhall 2.0 XE or Duratec. Or a wild card - S2000?
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BenB
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| posted on 30/4/09 at 10:42 PM |
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Ouch!! 100Bhp/litre NA.....
Sounds like a bike engine to me 
EXcept they don't make 'em 2L big!!
How's about a Mitsi FTO. 2L (v6 so not 16v) but 196Bhp stock BHP... but it's FWD so would need some moding....
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blakep82
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| posted on 30/4/09 at 10:44 PM |
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start with a good base
16v 2.0 engines, you have vauxhall c20xe, 150bhp as standard, the bottom end's good for over 200bhp, and can be done with some decent intake and
exhaust, and maybe new cam shafts. easily mated to a type 9 (how long will a standard type 9 last with 200bhp? i don't know)
the racing pickups (like mine, but racing ones) get 229bhp from a c20xe with a complete stock bottom end
vauxhall ecotec, as above, but might involve a bit more work
duratec i think will get you 200bhp almost out the box, but again small amount of work needed.
zetec should be easily done too
all to type 9 boxes are quite easy, and been done a lot on here
[Edited on 30/4/09 by blakep82]
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BenB
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| posted on 30/4/09 at 10:46 PM |
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Only issue with a type 9 would be whether it would take the power. I've heard a 180Bhp upper limit though of course in reality it's torque
that kills boxes....
why they can make them out of cheese in our BECs.....
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MikeR
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| posted on 30/4/09 at 10:53 PM |
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In my head i'd got 150bhp as the reliable number .... although that might be with a heavier car.
The zetec starts to get expensive to get to 200bhp, the easy engine is the vauxhall redtop (cx-whatever listed above).
Suppose the question is - how much you got to spend, how much hassle do you want, how much space have you got, how much of an issue is weight?
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Gazeddy
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| posted on 30/4/09 at 10:54 PM |
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try ford boa or bob
2.9 v6 200+ out the box can be had in donors as cheap as 200
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blakep82
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| posted on 30/4/09 at 10:56 PM |
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the racing trucks use the 4 speed rocket box with 230bhp, not sure if they're any stonger as standard, but they're the same length and
bolt patterns. they might be quaife boxes though
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stevebubs
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| posted on 30/4/09 at 11:06 PM |
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XE, Duratec
For a full 200bhp, a zetec won't be a cheap option...
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mediabloke
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| posted on 30/4/09 at 11:25 PM |
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What about an Alfa 2l JTS unit? 16v, 160-ish BHP, but 152ft lb of torque and weighs 168 kg.
You just need a wrecked 156, GT, GTV or Spider from which to retrieve it!
[Edited on 30/4/09 by mediabloke]
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donn006
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| posted on 30/4/09 at 11:25 PM |
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200 bhp
hi i must be doing something wrong as ive got a c20xe with gsxr throttle boddies and a mbe ecu ,four branch exhaust took it to nms for rolling road
and only came away with 167 bhp real disapointed was expecting 175/180 bhp
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stevebubs
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 12:33 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by donn006
hi i must be doing something wrong as ive got a c20xe with gsxr throttle boddies and a mbe ecu ,four branch exhaust took it to nms for rolling road
and only came away with 167 bhp real disapointed was expecting 175/180 bhp
Which head do you have?
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nz_climber
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 03:09 AM |
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I reckon that if you want 200hp now, start with a engine that produces 200hp out of the box, that'l give you room to move later on when you need
more speed, also makes it really reliable!!
My choices would be
250hp: F20C (Honda s2000) with matching gearbox.
210hp: Beams 3sge (Toyota Altezza/Lexus IS) with matching 6speed box too and also fits to toyota w5* series box
I know a guy in Aussie who is making about 300hp from the beams engine, still NA so plenty of improvement available.
Cheers
Aaron
PS NA horse power never comes cheap...
http://aarons7.wordpress.com
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 06:05 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by grassracer
maximum capacity for 16v motors is 2.0 and it must mate to a rwd box fairly easily!!
Well there goes my suggestion of a Jaguar AJ6. My 3.6 has 225hp (i think that was measured at the wheel) and only cost me £71
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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scootz
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 06:07 AM |
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Very true Aaron, but a 'cheap' blown set-up will always cost more in the long term after things start to melt or break!
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Hector.Brocklebank
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 06:07 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BenB
Sounds like a bike engine to me
EXcept they don't make 'em 2L big!!
erm.... 2300cc engined PRODUCTION motorcycle
[Edited on 1/5/09 by Hector.Brocklebank]
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scootz
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 06:10 AM |
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Have you seen the weight / power figures of the Rocket though? Bit dissapointing.
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02GF74
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 06:55 AM |
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eh? cheapest has to be oRver V8.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 06:56 AM |
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Duratec 
Pretty much 200bhp out of the box once fitted with throttle bodies, free flowing exhaust and a decent engine management system. Needs an adapter
bellhousing to mate to a type 9, and would seriously suggest you invest in a HD one.
240bhp easily achievable with a different set of cams couldpled with the above. Once the cost of the initial install is over they are pretty cheap to
squeeze a lot of power out of.
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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zetec
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 07:13 AM |
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Agree you will need £450 for cams to get 200, but the big advantage is they are very cheap to buy, even new, so no need to buy a knackered unit which
will cost £££ to rebuild.
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grassracer
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 07:21 AM |
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Thanks guys...good healthy debate going here. I like the sound of the Duratec or the Beams Toyota thingy. Zetec and XE have been done to death in the
class its going in so was looking for some alternatives!! thanks keep em coming though
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02GF74
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 07:23 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
eh? cheapest has to be oRver V8.
Just one slight problem....... there isnt a 2L version available 
Good point, very well made.
(I didn't see the 2.0 l bit - DOH!)
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grazzledazzle
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 07:33 AM |
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Mondeo St200 2.5 V6.
202bhp as standard with all the restrictive ford stuff on it. Less than £500 delivered to your door.
Bargain.
<-------------- I've got one.
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02GF74
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 08:20 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by grazzledazzle
Mondeo St200 2.5 V6.
202bhp as standard with all the restrictive ford stuff on it.
So a 2.5 l engine is less than 2.0 l then?
I made that mistake too.
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CaptainJosh
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 08:22 AM |
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Nissan SR20?
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