ChrisLeary
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 posted on 9/3/11 at 08:04 PM |
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Engine conversions
Evening all, hope everyone is well?
I'll soon be looking for a kit car. But the majority of the one's I've seen have car engines in them, which seem to be cheaper than
those with bike engines.
I was just wondering how much work is actually involved in converting a car engined kit to a bike engine and the sort of cost I'd be looking
at?
I know there are posts in other parts of the forum about this sort of thing, but they seem to be more lists of things you need rather than a general
idea of doing a conversion.
I'm an aircraft technician by trade so I should be able to cope (I hope!) but before I jump in I just wanted to consider my options.
Cheers,
Chris
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tomgregory2000
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| posted on 9/3/11 at 08:12 PM |
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I would have thought 2-4K depending on engine for everything from start to finish
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eddie99
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| posted on 9/3/11 at 08:16 PM |
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Firstly you would have to decide what type of Bike engine? You can pay between £500 to £3k for the engine itself. Are you looking at seven kit cars?
I.e you will need a new prop.....
I'd say all in you could do a conversion for 2-5k
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stevegough
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| posted on 9/3/11 at 08:45 PM |
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Welcome to the forum - you're in great company here - plenty of other wierdos who decide (for reasons best known to themselves) to spoil a
wonderful car by putting a bike engine in them.
But, WELCOME all the same!! I am just in the midst of writing up the complete costing of my car from start to on the road, I'll put a summary
on here in the next day or so - but it probably won't apply to your situation.
Regards, and everyone is pretty well apart from one guy who stabbed himself with a screwdriver - 2"deep, hit the bone and decided not to bother
going to hospital......
Regards, Steve.
Luego Locost C20XE.
Build start: October 6th 2008.
IVA passed Jan 28th 2011.
First drive Feb 10th 2011.
First show: Stoneleigh 1st/2nd May 2011.
'Used up' first engine may 3rd 2011!
Back on the road with 2nd engine may 24th
First PASA mad drive 26/7/11
Sold to Mike in Methyr Tydvil 19/03/14
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britishtrident
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| posted on 9/3/11 at 09:24 PM |
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Bike engines reliably produce fantastic outputs for very lightweight, but bike clutches and transmisions were never engineered to drive a
car.
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― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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Major Stare
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| posted on 9/3/11 at 09:33 PM |
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It cost me about £2,000 to convert from a x-flow to a bike engine.
Engine was £1,000 of this the rest was fitting, prop, new dials/clocks, exhaust etc.
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 9/3/11 at 09:55 PM |
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You need a new prop, a prop adaptor, an engine and new wiring and cooling system. Then you'll probably have issues with your dials so some
modifying will be needed there plus bits like new clutch and accelerator cables and a gearchange mech.
On the engine front a LOT of people nowadays on here are using the R1 but there's nowt wrong with a Fireblade or ZX9 to keep the cost down a
bit.
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ChrisLeary
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| posted on 9/3/11 at 11:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by eddie99
Firstly you would have to decide what type of Bike engine? You can pay between £500 to £3k for the engine itself. Are you looking at seven kit cars?
I.e you will need a new prop.....
I'd say all in you could do a conversion for 2-5k
Yes Eddie, I'll be looking for a seven type kit.
Well it sounds alot more do-able (thats not a word I don't think, but you know what I mean!) than I thought the job would be. But at the same
time, I think it'll be more cost effective to spend a bit more on a car with a bike engine already installed. that way I'll have what I
want engine wise and be able to do any small bits I'd like to.
Thanks for your replies everyone.
I hope the screwdriver incident victim is ok? Excuse the 'ever-so-slightly' sexual pun, but thats one helluva a gash! Were stitches needed
or is he now healing ok?
Chris
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brookie
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| posted on 10/3/11 at 05:26 PM |
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that the best way to go m8 and also go test drive a few cars with diffrent engines in them then decide what 1 to go for m8
what your budget if u dont mind me asking
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stevegough
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| posted on 10/3/11 at 06:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ChrisLeary
Thanks for your replies everyone.
I hope the screwdriver incident victim is ok? Excuse the 'ever-so-slightly' sexual pun, but thats one helluva a gash! Were stitches needed
or is he now healing ok?
Chris
I don't know how he is - but follow the thread he posted about
it.......Hole in the hand
Luego Locost C20XE.
Build start: October 6th 2008.
IVA passed Jan 28th 2011.
First drive Feb 10th 2011.
First show: Stoneleigh 1st/2nd May 2011.
'Used up' first engine may 3rd 2011!
Back on the road with 2nd engine may 24th
First PASA mad drive 26/7/11
Sold to Mike in Methyr Tydvil 19/03/14
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matt_gsxr
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| posted on 10/3/11 at 07:15 PM |
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Engine cost depends on what you want:
£300 for zzr1200, up to £3k for a Busa
Malc Yorkshire engines posts a price list and though he is more expensive than e-bay he is good, and will provide all the bits (clocks, ecu,
tbi's, airbox, etc)
Propshaft; £300 bailey morris
Prop adapter; £60 sprocketadapter.co.uk
Manifold; £400 for a custom job, maybe a bit less if you can find one that fits
Engine craddle; diy
Odds and sods (plumbing); £100
Odds and sods (electrical); £100
Clutch solution; £50 + diy
Gearlever solution; £50 + diy
so about £1000 to fit an engine + the cost of the engine.
Other possible costs:
Sump baffle; dry-sump; accusump; depending on what the engine needs.
Fuel pump/swirl pot/regulator/replacement tank. depending on whether the original car is fuel injected (assuming bike engine is injected), not
applicable for a carbed engine. Maybe £50 to £300 depending on what is needed.
Power commander; £200 unless you are lucky, or go with a carbed engine
Replacement diff; £50 (unless you need something esoteric like a 3.14 that zx10r probably benefit from)
Airfilter; ITB sausage thing £70, depending on whether you can use the existing airbox
A nice project, but also quite a lot of bits to do.
Come along to one of Dan (scutter) LCB meetings at the Rose Revived some time.
Matt
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johny p
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| posted on 10/3/11 at 07:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by eddie99
Firstly you would have to decide what type of Bike engine? You can pay between £500 to £3k for the engine itself. Are you looking at seven kit cars?
I.e you will need a new prop.....
I'd say all in you could do a conversion for 2-5k
yes you need a new prop what has to be properly aligned, plus go for a damper type as
it takes out the shock in diff and box...
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ChrisLeary
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| posted on 11/3/11 at 09:30 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by brookie
that the best way to go m8 and also go test drive a few cars with diffrent engines in them then decide what 1 to go for m8
what your budget if u dont mind me asking
I'll have around £4000 to spend. But may be able to push that a little higher. I understand thats not alot, but with a family on the way I want
a toy but I can't justify spending too much.
quote:
Originally posted by matt_gsxr
Engine cost depends on what you want:
£300 for zzr1200, up to £3k for a Busa
Malc Yorkshire engines posts a price list and though he is more expensive than e-bay he is good, and will provide all the bits (clocks, ecu,
tbi's, airbox, etc)
Propshaft; £300 bailey morris
Prop adapter; £60 sprocketadapter.co.uk
Manifold; £400 for a custom job, maybe a bit less if you can find one that fits
Engine craddle; diy
Odds and sods (plumbing); £100
Odds and sods (electrical); £100
Clutch solution; £50 + diy
Gearlever solution; £50 + diy
so about £1000 to fit an engine + the cost of the engine.
Other possible costs:
Sump baffle; dry-sump; accusump; depending on what the engine needs.
Fuel pump/swirl pot/regulator/replacement tank. depending on whether the original car is fuel injected (assuming bike engine is injected), not
applicable for a carbed engine. Maybe £50 to £300 depending on what is needed.
Power commander; £200 unless you are lucky, or go with a carbed engine
Replacement diff; £50 (unless you need something esoteric like a 3.14 that zx10r probably benefit from)
Airfilter; ITB sausage thing £70, depending on whether you can use the existing airbox
A nice project, but also quite a lot of bits to do.
Come along to one of Dan (scutter) LCB meetings at the Rose Revived some time.
Matt
Thanks Matt, where abouts in oxford are you? Yes it would be a great project, something I'd probably look into doing over the winter.
How do I find out about the LCB meetings then?
Cheers,
Chris
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welderman
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| posted on 11/3/11 at 09:42 AM |
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try this link if it works
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/9/viewthread.php?tid=90943
Thank's, Joe 
I don't stalk people
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/23/viewthread.php?tid=172301
Back on with the Fisher Fury R1
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tony.g
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| posted on 11/3/11 at 11:21 PM |
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I have recently bought a 919 locoblade and done 1 trackday in it and i can't wait to do an other one.
Go for it!!!!!!!!!!!
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brookie
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| posted on 12/3/11 at 03:56 PM |
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i think u may need more money dont think 4k enough m8
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