OliilO
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 posted on 16/4/13 at 09:42 PM |
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Buying Advice
Evening all,
I've been looking at getting myself my first BEC for a while and went and had a look at one local to me today, ending up with a few questions
that would be good to have a more experienced opinion on.
It was an Indy, correctly registered as an MK Engineering Indy, however the current owner has replaced the original fireblade engine with a direct
replacement and not updated the engine number on the V5. As far as I am aware (from reading on here) it isn't a massive hassle to get it
updated, but it does put me off slightly. Is it right to be slightly wary of this?
Secondly, there seems to be very little build history available. It was built in 2004 and had a few owners since then, but other than some receipts
there is little documenting it's history. Whilst looking well built, to my eyes, I imagine it would be preferable to have some more history
present - although at the end of the day it's current condition is more important? (I think 2 of the previous owners may be members here, so may
well send them a message)
I'm certainly going to have a look at a few more cars before committing to anything, but am trying to get a feel for what the key concerns
should be when visiting.
Thanks in advance.
Oli
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adithorp
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| posted on 16/4/13 at 10:34 PM |
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Nothing unusual for an engine to be changed and not get around to informing DVLA to change the V5. Not difficult to get it changed.
If you can get to Stoneleigh show you'll see a lot of owners cars there. That should help you spot the good builds from the rest.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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rf900rush
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| posted on 17/4/13 at 06:29 AM |
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I changed my engine twice, once for the same, and then a upgrade to a bigger and different make.
Both times were fairly easy.
Just needed to prove it was not stolen.
Photo of engine showing engine number, and a precept of sale. I even got to speak to someone their for help the first time round.
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ReMan
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| posted on 17/4/13 at 06:34 AM |
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I would,nt worry about build history.
As you say it's correctly registered and how it looks now is more important.
It might be known on here if you want to divulge any more detail?
Is there someone local to you or it on here that wold have a look with you perhaps?
www.plusnine.co.uk
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twybrow
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| posted on 17/4/13 at 08:07 AM |
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DVLA wil probably ask you for a garage to inspect the engine and confirm on paper the engine number in your car(of course, you might want to write
that yourself on some headed paper!).
Build history is less important than current condition and quality IMHO, although it does help to have a list of parts used (or reciepts) in case you
need to replace a worn out part.
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adithorp
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| posted on 17/4/13 at 09:08 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ReMan
I would,nt worry about build history.
As you say it's correctly registered and how it looks now is more important.
It might be known on here if you want to divulge any more detail?
Is there someone local to you or it on here that wold have a look with you perhaps?
As said I wouldn't worry to much about a buildhistory. The documented build history for my car is only a file fullof reciepts a few photos and
questions posted on here when it comes down to it.
It'll be usefull to put your (rough) location in your profile then you might get offers of local help.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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Hellfire
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| posted on 17/4/13 at 11:23 AM |
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I'd be wary of the replacement engine too. It's easy enough to get the V5C changed, so I'd question why it hasn't been done
already........
Phil
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Not Anumber
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| posted on 17/4/13 at 12:05 PM |
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It will never fail an MOT for having the wrong engine number. So long as you know the engine was honestly obtained there is no issue.
I once forgot to get the v5 updated after changing the engine on a classic car. It was picked up on when the car was inspected by VOSA a couple of
years later for a private reg number transfer but this was completely painless. They just asked me to confirm this was still the same car as described
on the v5 and that the engine number differed just because i had swapped the engine. They asked if i wanted this updated on the v5 and rubber stamped
it.
The engine number on my Indy's v5 is listed as Unknown from when it was built (by someone else). It has not caused any problems
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OliilO
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| posted on 19/4/13 at 03:43 PM |
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Thanks all. My Internet has been on the blink this wink, hence the delayed reply.
I'm in Hampshire and the car is the yellow Indy advertised on pistonheads with not the most detailed advert in the world...
The reason the V5 hasn't been updated is because the current owner couldn't be bothered, which I entirely believe.
It is currently being run without a baffled sump, which is something I'd look into if I purchased it, but is that likely to have had any
adverse effect? There was no oil pressure warning on the digidash at any stage when we went for a drive.
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Davg
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| posted on 19/4/13 at 04:47 PM |
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You have probably answered some of your own questions to be honest. If in doubt walk away!
Wot kind of budget you thinking?
Cheers D
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OliilO
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| posted on 19/4/13 at 04:53 PM |
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I think I knew the answer to some of the questions, just wanted a sanity check.
Looking for something up to 8k as a maximum, ideally less than seven. Managed to be too slow over the past month or so and missed out on a couple of
cars that looked to be ideal!
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Davg
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| posted on 19/4/13 at 04:59 PM |
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Oh we'll nice orange one for sale
Good luck
Cheers
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OliilO
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| posted on 19/4/13 at 05:02 PM |
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I'd seen yours before, looks a nice car, just a bit too much and far away for me. Good luck with the sale.
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SCAR
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| posted on 19/4/13 at 06:03 PM |
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I would have thought a wrong engine number was an mot faliure due to the log on requirements of vosa's computerised system. I had a garage
refuse to mot my bike because the numbers didnt match the V5. It was its first mot from new and the V5 was a digit wrong. Vosa issued a new v5 with
the corrected numbers but it was a bit of a worry at the time. If the engine number isn't on the v5 how would you know it isn't nicked?
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Not Anumber
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| posted on 19/4/13 at 06:07 PM |
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Vosa might raise an issue because they couldnt believe that someone would actually put a dimininutive motorbike engine in a car
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Hellfire
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| posted on 19/4/13 at 06:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by OliilO
It is currently being run without a baffled sump, which is something I'd look into if I purchased it, but is that likely to have had any
adverse effect? There was no oil pressure warning on the digidash at any stage when we went for a drive.
Running a Fireblade without a baffled sump shouldn't have an adverse affect on the engine provided it has sufficient oil. If it's going to
be driven hard on trackdays regularly, a baffle plate would be a wise investment. The Fireblade is a strong engine in a BEC application and even if it
doesn't need a baffle plate, it will give you peace of mind.
Phil
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Custardpants
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| posted on 23/4/13 at 10:44 AM |
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Given how readily available fireblade engines are I wouldn't worry about V5 engine code etc. Sometimes people with a highly tuned engine will
remove it and replace with a stock one when they sell the car on. When looking BECs bear in mind it's well worth researching how much the cost
of a replacement engine is, how easy it is to tune(even if not interested now you may be later on), and whether it needs a dry sump for track
use(expensive). Where in Hampshire are you? You're welcome to have a look at my car/go out in it if you're near hindhead.
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twybrow
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| posted on 23/4/13 at 11:54 AM |
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Is it this one?
I would also be tempted to look at these:
MNR Vortx
MNR Vortx
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OliilO
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| posted on 23/4/13 at 04:48 PM |
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Custardpants: I'm just down the road in Petersfield (when not away with work), I might send you a message if I find anything else close and need
some buying advice!
Twybrow: Yes, that's the one. The two MNRs have appeared since I viewed the first one, so definitely considering a look at either of those.
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Custardpants
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| posted on 23/4/13 at 08:51 PM |
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In that case if you want to go out in my car let me know. if im out in the car on a sat/sun morning drive it's particularly easy, the A272 is of
my favourite routes, Sod's law I probably drive past your house anyway lol!
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