Andy North
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| posted on 27/7/06 at 01:52 PM |
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Brake Fade
Did a track day a couple of weeks ago. Ambient temperature was in high 20's. As the session progressed the brakes really started to feel
spongy/fade. I belive the brakes are standard Sierra. Attached is a picture of the rear set up.
Anyone any ideas on what to do/cause?
Andy
 
Rescued attachment Rear Disc.JPG
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fleetwood
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| posted on 27/7/06 at 02:05 PM |
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Try rebleeding? initially. What spec of brake fluid?, were you using , you could try DOT5.
How old were the pads? bedded properly?
You could have glazed pads.
What color are the disc's ? if they are bluey coloured becareful beware of surface cracking this is hydrogen embrittlement.
Brakes are funny things, but not funny though when they don't work.
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Danozeman
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| posted on 27/7/06 at 02:25 PM |
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Are the fronts grooved aswell?? What pads you running??
As said try rebleeding. The brake fluid may have got hot. If your using dot 4 try dot 5.1, but flush out well when u change over. If you put dot
5 anywhere near it after 4 it will shag your seals up.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 27/7/06 at 02:31 PM |
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Don't replace your brake fluid with silicone - you'll be disappointed. DOT 5 is silicone, DOT5.1 is racing-quality traditional
glycol-based brake fluid.
See here for a good description.
I'd try a good flush out with fresh fluid as a starting point, whether it's DOT3, 4 or 5.1.
David
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JAG
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| posted on 27/7/06 at 02:34 PM |
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Proper brake fade is caused by heat - nothing else.
If your brakes aren't bled properly sort it out but that effect would have been noticeable before you did this track day.
If it was brake fade then you can change to vented disks or bigger diameter disks - be careful of upsetting the balance if you do this, or you can get
some cold air feeds into the brake/wheel area and try and keep them cooler that way.
Justin
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 27/7/06 at 02:52 PM |
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Water in the fluid will also cause sponginess if the brakes get very hot - steam is quite easy to compress!
David
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Agriv8
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| posted on 27/7/06 at 03:19 PM |
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I Would say more cooling / airflow required,
Not examinined a GT but trust its rear engined where does the engine heat go ? if this is having to pass the discs as well wont be assisting. is ther
anyway to get cool air to the disks.
What have you got your balance bar set at ?
regards
Agriv8
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meany
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| posted on 27/7/06 at 03:20 PM |
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as "JAG" said.
its the heat..
my experience...july /August 04 and 05
with my Sccob in the Isle Of Man, i had severe brake fade and judder. this sorted itself out when it cooled down.
the year after, even giving the scoob more hassle, not a hint of Fade, no judder.
the difference was...
newer disks...but the same spec.
newer pads..but the same spec.
Changed to Dot 5.1 brake fluid.
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Andy North
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| posted on 27/7/06 at 03:41 PM |
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Thanks for the replies.
Front discs are grooved as well, but I am not sure what the pads are as they were in the car when I bought it.
I had not experienced this before the track day or at previous track days. It certainly was a very hot day. It could just be in my mind but the
brakes don't feel as good as they did before.
As for heat in the engine bay, it is very hot and there are brake lines in there too.
Balance bar was pinned for SVA (still is), but as I said no problems before this track day.
It supposedly has DOT 5.1 in it (previous owner does not answer e-mails), but again I don't know how old it is. Guess it is as good a starting
point as any.
Andy
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RazMan
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| posted on 27/7/06 at 06:01 PM |
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A different pad material will probably help - trackdays need harder pads if you want to push it to the limit. It is a good idea to have
'road' and 'track' pads and change them accordingly.
Try Greenstuff or Redstuff for a start
Cheers,
Raz
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John Bonnett
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| posted on 27/7/06 at 07:21 PM |
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It may be a combination of fluid and pads. As has been said, for racing and track days you will certainly need a harder pad otherwise you will run out
of brakes very quickly. You need to check that your brake fluid is of racing quality and even if it, is it is worth changing it in case there is some
moisture in it. With good fluid and the correct pads you can run all day at racing speeds and braking without problem with the brakes.
John
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