speedyxjs
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 posted on 24/7/08 at 09:21 AM |
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Uh oh
Id better go hide
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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simoto
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| posted on 24/7/08 at 09:28 AM |
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Shiver me timbers me hearties!
striker/blade now complete, thanks to all on this site.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 24/7/08 at 09:32 AM |
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Sounds a load of hype to me, a bit of scare tactics, I don’t believe a word of it, for a start they don’t have the home addresses of users of things
like Lime Wire etc as it’s not required, how are they even suppose to know or prove what you have downloaded and saved rather than just listen to. To
charge you they would have to have evidence and just how are they meant to do that?? Bet not a single person ever gets taken to court.
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 24/7/08 at 09:35 AM |
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They know how much you download
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 24/7/08 at 10:04 AM |
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So like every download and upload that is ever made between one computer and another is stored on the service providers system, just imagine the
incredible number that would be, it would be in the trillions, I seriously doubt that would even possible. If that was the case then there would be no
need for the police to actually seize machines to charge folk. Most if not all people who download inappropriate material from the web are caught by
their credit card details and a raid on their house, I don’t think that is going to happen to a teenager downloading some music in their bedroom.
Total farce the whole thing.
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 24/7/08 at 10:15 AM |
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We had a letter from tiscali a few months back saying there is no download limit but if we kept using as much as we were, they would restrict our
service.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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BenB
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| posted on 24/7/08 at 10:21 AM |
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The system is simple Mr Whippy, the british phono people go on limewire, utorrent etc looking for people with UK IP addresses sharing files. They go
to the ISP providing that IP, tell them that someone using one of their IPs is file sharing and the ISP sends you a letter on behalf of the british
phono people threatening legal action etc etc...
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 24/7/08 at 10:42 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BenB
The system is simple Mr Whippy, the british phono people go on limewire, utorrent etc looking for people with UK IP addresses sharing files. They go
to the ISP providing that IP, tell them that someone using one of their IPs is file sharing and the ISP sends you a letter on behalf of the british
phono people threatening legal action etc etc...
and how many years has limewire etc been going? and the ISP hosting that site is really that bothered, oh shock Limewire is sharing files...but we
never knew!!
another Tv Licence detector vans, story
where's Chris when you need him, he'll know?? Oh Chris I'm trading and not paying.....!  he he
[Edited on 24/7/08 by Mr Whippy]
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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locogeoff
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| posted on 24/7/08 at 01:00 PM |
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Well it's already happening, there has been a case of a young girl who got hammered for donwloading/sharing music.
The reason that people have got away with it up until now is that nobody was really gunning for them, this has now changed, and companies want their
justifiable revenue from their products, and are using whatever means possible to acheive their goals, in the same way that users have been flipping
between share sights to avoid capture.
It's just the way it is, I personally don't see what the big issue is, if you don't believe the authorities can do what they say
they can do feel free to continue, but don't whine when you get the letter inviting you to expain your actions in a court of law.
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ozzieboy
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| posted on 24/7/08 at 09:00 PM |
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Oh Dear ,
I should not be getting one of these letters as a friend of mine has showed me a great programe called hide IP platinum,
Which hides your ip address so making you un-traceable .... well so i have been told!!!
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johnston
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| posted on 24/7/08 at 09:02 PM |
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But 1 problem is if you own the original then your allowed a "back-up" copy or to rip them for mp3 players etc etc
so if like us its quicker easier and less hassle to download a backup to stick onto the mp3 player rather than hunt out the cd when we want to listen
to it. in that case we're not breaking the law so will be penalised for using a service we pay for????
2 of the mentioned isp provide a freeservice as well as paying customers so obviously its in their interests to slow down usage and carphone warehouse
doesnt let torrent programs work proplerly anyway.
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stevebubs
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| posted on 24/7/08 at 09:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BenB
The system is simple Mr Whippy, the british phono people go on limewire, utorrent etc looking for people with UK IP addresses sharing files. They go
to the ISP providing that IP, tell them that someone using one of their IPs is file sharing and the ISP sends you a letter on behalf of the british
phono people threatening legal action etc etc...
I've done some work in the DRM space in one of my previous lives. There's some pretty natty routines around for detecting content and then
tracking the distribution. Done properly, the method Ben describes above needs no human intervention...and there is software that will identify files
from their content so renaming etc won't work.
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stevebubs
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| posted on 24/7/08 at 09:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by johnston
But 1 problem is if you own the original then your allowed a "back-up" copy or to rip them for mp3 players etc etc
Actually, strictly speaking you're not...I the eyes of the law, there is no such thing as a "fair use policy". However, the practice
that has been going on for so long that it's largely ignored (IIRC, cassette tapes kicked off this argument...)
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splitrivet
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| posted on 24/7/08 at 09:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by johnston
But 1 problem is if you own the original then your allowed a "back-up" copy or to rip them for mp3 players etc etc
so if like us its quicker easier and less hassle to download a backup to stick onto the mp3 player rather than hunt out the cd when we want to listen
to it. in that case we're not breaking the law so will be penalised for using a service we pay for????
2 of the mentioned isp provide a freeservice as well as paying customers so obviously its in their interests to slow down usage and carphone warehouse
doesnt let torrent programs work proplerly anyway.
On Radio 2 today they said the back up thing is a fallacy in this country.
A good case for using Peer Guardian its free anyway.
Cheers,
Bob
I used to be a Werewolf but I'm alright nowwoooooooooooooo
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Liam
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| posted on 24/7/08 at 09:57 PM |
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I do really hate the way the poor music industry obviously multiplies the number of songs downloaded by some cost-per-song figure (i.e. 1/10 of a CD
or whatever), then claims that is the figure 'stolen' from them, taking food off their tables etc etc. Bless them - brings a lump to my
throat. Or at least it might if they weren't making the ludicrous assumption that every song illegally downloaded would have been purchased if
the facility to illegally download didn't exist.
I for one use downloading programs mostly to sample stuff I'm interested in finding out about, downloading random single tracks, some old albums
etc etc. This often leads to me purchasing stuff I might not have done otherwise (though often second hand from amazon). I simply wouldn't do
this if downloading for free wasn't an option - i certainly wouldn't increase my spending on music. The poor, suffering record industry
has almost certainly made money from me as a direct result of illegal downloading, and I expect i'm a fairly typical user.
Similarly people who habitually download every new release will simply find a new hobby if that is made impossible - they certainly wont be rushing
out and spending half their wages on music. The claimed 'cost' of illegal downloading is pretty much a figment of their imagination. In
reality illegal sharing is just a subculture that exists alongside the music industry and does it no real harm. The record industry would probably
benefit if they realised that and stopped wasting money trying to fight it. They're just enjoying playing the victim too much.
Liam
[Edited on 24/7/08 by Liam]
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DIY Si
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| posted on 24/7/08 at 10:54 PM |
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As long as they stick to music and away from films, I'll be fine. 
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