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Fiat 124 Ball Joint
xico_ze54 - 26/3/07 at 11:34 AM

this photo seems to confirm the use of a Fiat 124 ball joint with the Cortina upright in a Tiger Avon.

I went in a shop that have some of that ancient material, but they asked to me what 124's ball joint is needed, upper or lower.

in fact, by the look in the drawings I saw in that shop, they seems to be almost equal.

so, wich 124's ball joint is used in the Tiger, upper or lower?

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BenB - 26/3/07 at 04:45 PM

Really? Most use either the Cortina or the lower Maxi swivel....


xico_ze54 - 26/3/07 at 05:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by BenB
Really? Most use either the Cortina or the lower Maxi swivel....

that pic shows a Tiger Avon, and also a Cortina upright,

but that lower ball joint is not for sure from a Cortina neither from a Maxi, this last has only 2 bolts.


t.j. - 26/3/07 at 09:07 PM

they have both the same taper.
And yes they are FIAT 124 spider.

I use the lower. it si surely designed for it.
Only it has a spring in it. The upper don't.

So free choose there.


xico_ze54 - 27/3/07 at 09:59 AM

quote:
Originally posted by t.j.
they have both the same taper.
And yes they are FIAT 124 spider.

I use the lower. it si surely designed for it.
Only it has a spring in it. The upper don't.

So free choose there.

I thought it was from the normal Fiat 124. are they different from the Spider?


t.j. - 27/3/07 at 07:13 PM

Now let's have a look in the book:

contina taunus ball-joint:
15.40 degrees

fiat 124:
top: 15,00 degrees (OEM 415 01 78)
bottom: 15,00 degrees (OEM 410 48 63)

fiat argenta:
top: 14,80 degrees
bottom: 15,00 degrees (OEM 410 48 63)

fiat 125 and 132
top: 14,80 degrees
bottom: 15,00 degrees (OEM 588 07 95)

All bottom joints are aftermarketed by SIDEM under no: 19183

BTW:
Sierra bottom: 14,00 degrees
Seirra 4x4 bottom: 17,00 degrees

Transit tie rod end
AVON: M20x1,50 RHT 15,50 degr (OEM- 1 481 651)
UNCLE RON: M18,5x1,50 RHT 15,50 degr (OEM 1 796 516)

upper balljoint cortina 15,40 degr. (OEM 6 010 076)

If thinking about porsche 911 bottom : 17,20 degrees.

No 124 spider?....no diverence there i think (hope ;-) )


xico_ze54 - 27/3/07 at 07:34 PM

great knowledges, T.J.

may be in Tiger they modify in the lathe the upright in a way to correct that 0.4 degrees.

BTW: do you know the Austin Maxi taper?

[Edited on 27/3/07 by xico_ze54]


t.j. - 27/3/07 at 07:50 PM

That 0.40 isn't the problem, just fasten tight.

No maxi in my book.
Only (R)over group
Maxi 1969-1981 MArina 1972-1980 ITAL 1980-1985
lower king pin set 14,40 degr but no balljoint i think. (OEM GSJ 167)


xico_ze54 - 27/3/07 at 07:56 PM

many thanks t.j.


t.j. - 27/3/07 at 08:03 PM

BTW
I have seen someone using a TOYOTA LITE ACE upright maybe availble around there?

up: 15,30 degr (maybe FORD's tie rod fits!)
down >10/1982 (4 bolts): 16,80 degr
down <09/1982 (3 bolts): 15,30 degr

Maybe you could check if it is useable!

[Edited on 27/3/07 by t.j.]


xico_ze54 - 27/3/07 at 08:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by t.j.
BTW
I have seen someone using a TOYOTA LITE ACE upright maybe availble around there?

up: 15,30 degr (maybe FORD's tie rod fits!)
down >10/1982 (4 bolts): 16,80 degr
down <09/1982 (3 bolts): 15,30 degr

Maybe you could check if it is useable!

[Edited on 27/3/07 by t.j.]

thanks again t.j.
I have two more pairs of Cortina uprights and still have an eye in some I use to see arround. its like an addiction to see amoung old cars where can have a Cortina/Taunus