http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NSvrtmGMmUI
Horribly frightening for the poor people concerned...
We don't have one of those nice doors that lock from the outside automatically but then I have fairly crap cars too...but it does make you think!
I guess leaving your car keys lying about is not a good idea... My keys and wallet are always stashed away incase someone wanders in...
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Originally posted by tegwin
I guess leaving your car keys lying about is not a good idea... My keys and wallet are always stashed away incase someone wanders in...
Not exactly common, lets not knee-jerk react to this sort of thing that has happened for the last 20 years that I'm aware of at least! Of course if you're not near enough to hear the door open then lock it, just common sense surely? We never use our front door anyway and usually lock the rear as soon as we walk in.
I must say, theres no point in hiding locked up in your house because the odd shitty incident happens... what happens if they come through the window? board them up too?
To be honest I would have given them the keys, not worth having your(or family members) head caved in by a crowbar just for a car
Unless I thought I stood no chance whatsoever I think I'd find it very difficult to restrain myself. I'd rather suffer a few injuries and take one of these scrotes down than let them get away with walking into my home and threatening my family.
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Originally posted by MikeRJ
Unless I thought I stood no chance whatsoever I think I'd find it very difficult to restrain myself. I'd rather suffer a few injuries and take one of these scrotes down than let them get away with walking into my home and threatening my family.
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Originally posted by MikeRJ
Unless I thought I stood no chance whatsoever I think I'd find it very difficult to restrain myself. I'd rather suffer a few injuries and take one of these scrotes down than let them get away with walking into my home and threatening my family.
Worth getting a spare set of keys and leaving them by your front door, but not actually for your car.
Those muppets on the video struggled with the real keys. If you gave away a set of dummy keys you have enough time to (go to the kitchen and
get the biggest knife you can find) call the police and give them a description
hmm I know my four dogs would go totally insane if a stranger just walked into the house, it would be a very risky thing to do, start waving a crowbar
and that's like a red cape!
I mind my dads bull dog took several people to prise it off a friend who stupidly jumped over the back fence rather than go to the front door it just
wanted to bite through his arm
Don't most people lock their doors when they're at home? I know out in the middle of nowhere it's a bit different but in town / city centres?
So you're so security aware that you have CCTV but don't think to lock the door?
Mine is always locked (on a Yale only when I'm in). Even with modern doors, if they don't lock easy (my dads won't open from outside
once the handle has been lifted from inside) then all you need is a chain/lock-bar fitting.
Like Whippy, I wouldn't fancy thier chances with the dog and I suspect that they'd be leaving with a bit more urgency than those to showed.
If not, I might save on his food for a couple of days, though smack-heads tend not to have much meat on them. Failing that, I'd give them the
keys... but they'd better not turn thier backs or hang about after that...
Thievery is rampant out here and we're just entering the 'silly season.'
Holidaymakers (including villa-owners who should know better) land at their gaff, fling the windows wide open, leave the doors ajar and go for a swim
in their pool. Wallets, car keys, credit cards and passports are all fair game.
The latest wheezes involve distraction of some sort. Supermarket car parks are a favourite just as the shopping's been loaded into the car. One
person asks you a question, (directions etc) whilst the accomplice has your wallet/handbag out of the car. All done in seconds.
There are groups operating (rumour has it, mostly E. Europeans) on the auto-pistas too. They flash you when your driving and pull up alongside to
'warn you' of an apparent puncture or loose wheel and when you pull over, whilst one distracts you, the other lifts bag, camera, wallet out
of the car.
A pal nearly fell for the above when a Black 5-series Beemer that had flashed him waved him down and two shady looking characters began spinnig him a
yarn about the trailer he was towing (with a restored '63 'Vette on it). His wife had the presence of mind to point her camera/phone at
their car as if photographing the number plate. The two guys beat a hasty retreat.
Most villas here have wrought-iron wreckers, some as thick as 3/4 inch bar. I know of folk who've been burgled whilst they slept. The bars being
prised apart just sufficiently to get a ferret sized thief in through them.
We have a Staffie/American Pitbull cross. He looks as mean they come and I make a point of caging him when we get unknown visitors, (workmen etc). I
tell 'em it's for their own good. (He's lick 'em to death).
Happy holidays.
Im glad the family were ok.
Its is a difficult one but like people have mentioned above its just a car.
Im going to fit these now the house is near completion.
http://www.homesecureshop.co.uk/products/Key-Locking-Sash-Jammer-%252d-Extra-Security-Locks-for-uPVC-Window-%26-Doors-%252d-White.html
That doesn't happen often here in the states. Occasionally but not often.
In most US states when the scoundrel opened the door without permission, the assumption is that he means to do bodily harm, and lethal force is
justified.
In all US states when the dope pulls out a crowbar and makes a threat, then lethal force is justified.
This only has to happen a few times, before the only folks that will do a forced entry break-in, are the ones that are too drugged out to think
straight.
I never lock my doors when I am at home the exception being at night, so I don't have to clean up a mess if someone did walk in. (I have 6 dogs
the smallest of which is a Pitbull).
Guys,
A lot of security is common sense:
don't rely on rotten windows/doors to keep out scumbags any more that the most secure doors/windows that are left insecure.
Over the last 10-15 years car security has risen to the point that the only way to drive most cars these days is with the key. This means that if you
have a nice car on the drive and Mr Scumbag wants it then he has to break in and find the key. Most of the time they don't want to come face to
face with anyone or anything that will alert anyone to their presence so they will leg it if disturbed. So many domestic burglaries happen when the
occupier is asleep and hears nothing.
Taking cars while you are in them has always happened but very rarely and all that you can do is give them the keys (after you've extracted your
kids!!)
There is always going to be a criminal element that will take it to the extreme but most of us will never come across this other than reading about it
or seeing it on the news.
The bottom line is that this has always gone on but it's a good idea to think about your own security but you don't have to rush out and dig
the moat yet.
Steve
These are the ones i got:
eBay - The UK's Online Marketplace
I figured there is no point having them lockable, since the thief cant move it from outside anyway.
Automatic or motion sensing lights.
Never underestimate the unnerving effect that motion sensing lights will have on someone sneaking around, even in broad daylight. The will question
whether the light came on by itself or was switched on.
Seeing your own light come on by itself is a good early warning as to someone snooping around.
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I'm sure someone on here told me that in the part of Belgium he was living in it was best to leave your keys where they'd be found for the
very reason that the type of people who'd come to nick them wouldn't mind attacking or killing you.
I really don't see the point of being in possesion of a stolen car if the owner knows it's stolen from the offset as you've got know
time to do anything, and you've been seen, even if your in disguise. What would you do with a car in that situation? I Know that stolen cars have
their identities changed or broken for parts, but you'd think you'd want some time to get the car away before it was reported?
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Originally posted by morcus
I really don't see the point of being in possesion of a stolen car if the owner knows it's stolen from the offset as you've got know time to do anything, and you've been seen, even if your in disguise. What would you do with a car in that situation? I Know that stolen cars have their identities changed or broken for parts, but you'd think you'd want some time to get the car away before it was reported?
^ and that’s what it boils down to, the deterrent isn't one
Just what police camera action and you see the problem, they ram cars, nearly kill people on the road and then get a fine and a few months driving
ban. What a joke, give them a standard no parole 5 year prison sentence of hard labour digging new roads, new railways etc and you soon see the crime
rates plummet. If they do it again, 10 years sentence and so on.
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In most US states when the scoundrel opened the door without permission, the assumption is that he means to do bodily harm, and lethal force is justified.
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Originally posted by morcus
I'm sure someone on here told me that in the part of Belgium he was living in it was best to leave your keys where they'd be found for the very reason that the type of people who'd come to nick them wouldn't mind attacking or killing you.
I really don't see the point of being in possesion of a stolen car if the owner knows it's stolen from the offset as you've got know time to do anything, and you've been seen, even if your in disguise. What would you do with a car in that situation? I Know that stolen cars have their identities changed or broken for parts, but you'd think you'd want some time to get the car away before it was reported?
Only until the next MOT when the VIN and plates are checked.
Stats don't compare...UK number are based on prosecutions, US figures are reported incidents.
I find it hard to believe some of you guys actually talk of leaving the keys easy to find to protect your asses from intruders, but you say having the
RIGHT to defend yourself or your property is paranoid?
I know a London Bobby (sp) that moved to the US and is a cop here. He told me he feels much safer on the job here than in the UK.
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Originally posted by coyoteboy
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In most US states when the scoundrel opened the door without permission, the assumption is that he means to do bodily harm, and lethal force is justified.
I wouldn't want to live somewhere where that level of paranoia and free access to weapons was considered normal.
FWIW, despite the gun laws and supposedly open-house feel given by it the US property crime stats (i.e. not including murder, rape, violent crimes) stand at:
3200 per 100,000.
The UKs property crime stats stand at:
1200 per 100,000.
Add that to the fact that the US has approximately 10,000 murders by firearm per year and the UK has 14, thats one gun murder per 31,200 folk in the US, and one per 4.5 million in the UK.
Not sure the US has any room to shout on this one
I think it was more about the likelyhood of someone breaking in with a gun.
I personally think most people wouldn't do anything if it happened to them because of the way the mind works. You don't really think when
someone is threatening you, you just do. Thats how car jacking works, most victims of car jacking are in a good position to escape if they had the
strength of mind to realise it but it happen because in the moment you don't think about it.
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Stats don't compare...UK number are based on prosecutions, US figures are reported incidents.