badassboy64
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| posted on 7/3/13 at 10:12 PM |
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bl##dy wiring
Hi everyone here goes with my first post . I've been building a seven over the last 10 months and have enjoyed the experience greatly on the
whole but the wiring is without a doubt the work of the devil !I bought a vicky green loom on ebay and set about installing it everything has gone ok
except the indicators I have checked and rechecked my connections all is as shown in the diagram my problem is the hazards work but don't flash
and the turn individual indicators dont work at all . I'm using led's all round and a led relay(all new) I'm wondering if because
they are all led's there isn't enough voltage to make the can work . any ideas on this would be greatly appreciated as i would like to`go
for iva around easter. ps the column switches were second hand but i have checked them with my ohm meter and think that all is ok .
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big_wasa
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| posted on 7/3/13 at 10:20 PM |
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Give me the wiring over the iva/dvla paper work anyday.
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bi22le
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| posted on 7/3/13 at 10:21 PM |
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what do you mean by the hazards work but dont flash, they stay on?
what voltage have you got?
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badassboy64
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| posted on 7/3/13 at 10:23 PM |
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yes they all just stay on i will need to check voltage tomorrow
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adithorp
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| posted on 7/3/13 at 10:24 PM |
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A standard indicator relay won't work with LEDs as there isn't enough load. It's the same reason the rest stop flashing when a bulb
fails. You need an electronic unit. CBS and SVC sell them.
ps. welcome.
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Westy1994
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| posted on 7/3/13 at 10:31 PM |
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My LED indicators/Hazards work from a small timer kit from maplins, cost about a fiver from memory, PCB is 12dc and runs all 4 corners just fine. I
added a 'louder' relay to the output as the onboard electronics are silent of course !!
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badassboy64
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| posted on 7/3/13 at 11:11 PM |
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The relay is an electronic led one from bolt on bits in bradford and brand new three pin type 49/49a/15 i think from memory with 49 power
in(blue/green) 49a(pale green/red) load and earth on 15(black)
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Macbeast
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| posted on 7/3/13 at 11:19 PM |
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Adi -He just said he has a LED flasher unit so that shouldn't be the problem.
A few years ago there used to be frequent posts about errors in the Vicki Green loom.
Also something to check - there are two types of Sierra column switches. One works by putting an earth on the flashers, the other by connecting the
flashers to + 12V. Don't know which type works with Viki Green but someone on here will probably know.
Good luck anyway.
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adithorp
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| posted on 7/3/13 at 11:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Macbeast
Adi -He just said he has a LED flasher unit so that shouldn't be the problem.
Doh, missed that.
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Dusty
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| posted on 8/3/13 at 12:15 AM |
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Doesn't sierra usually use a 49A, 49, 31 relay, (in, out, earth) not 49a, 49, 15 relay, (in, out, live). I imagine that's what the VG loom
is expecting.
Sorry MacB the changes after BG87 part number switches were mostly to main and dip wiring and washers not indicators.
[Edited on 8/3/13 by Dusty]
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Macbeast
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| posted on 8/3/13 at 07:10 AM |
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Oh OK. I stand corrected 
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Slimy38
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| posted on 8/3/13 at 08:29 AM |
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I realise this might be a bit of extra expense, but I'd be tempted to switch back to filament bulbs and a standard relay, just to get things
working. LED lights can be troublesome for those with working wiring, trying to get them sorted from the start just sounds like a headache on a
headache.
For the sake of four bulbs and a relay (£10 max in total?) you can at least get the wiring sorted, then switch back to LED's once you're
happy.
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johnemms
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| posted on 8/3/13 at 10:33 AM |
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I think the build it - drive it - attiude is the way forward..
Keep it easy & standard then - iva ..
Plenty of winter months to add cool stuff that takes a week or more in the garage
just to find out it was a stupid bad earth on your new bit of flashy kit that drove you mental..
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stevegough
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| posted on 8/3/13 at 05:39 PM |
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Wiring - using conventional bulbs - is basically electrics. When you start using LEDs you are crossing the fine line into electronics - unless
you really know what you are doing, keep it simple, and use conventional (filament) units.
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L5W
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| posted on 8/3/13 at 06:45 PM |
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I've no experience with the vicky green loom but are you wiring it in to the standard hazard switch on top of a sierra column? If so does it
make any difference if the telltale bulb is removed from inside the switch? I had similar issues with my led indicators (i'm using an LED
electronic flasher relay too with a premier wiring loom) and eventually narrowed it down to the telltale bulb being a standard bulb. I came up with a
workaround solution, maybe not the best solution, but it worked for me!
http://l5w-mk-indy-zetec.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/hazard-telltale-light.html
Although not directly related, my sierra indicator stalk was pretty gunky inside and was causing the flasher relay to click without the bulbs actually
flashing. Taking the stalk assembly apart and giving the contacts a good clean stopped this.
Lee
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kickinthenuts
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| posted on 8/3/13 at 07:28 PM |
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Where in the world are you? I built my own loom so would be able to help you if you are local..ish?
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badassboy64
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| posted on 8/3/13 at 08:41 PM |
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firstly thanks lee this looks like something i'd overlooked and seems a simply enough job too i will try this over the next week for starters
and i'm in halifax kickinthenuts so probably a long way to come for something i've probably just overlooked but thanks to everyone for
your views/ advice and time i appreciate the help
[Edited on 8/3/13 by badassboy64]
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