DaveFJ
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 11:59 AM |
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Tiger PU Bushes
OK - not the usual debate!!!
Finally getting around to fitting my wishbones. started putting in the PU bushes yesterday and (apart from them being really easy top fit!) I have
found that they seem to be too big ?
Unfortuantely i did not take a picture but basically when the bushes are put in from each side and touching in the middle there is about a 1mm gap
from the edge of the tube to the shoulder of the bush (2mm total)
It would sem to me that this would allow the wishbones to move sligthly backward and forward?
Is this correct ?
my other simpler question is where do the tiger supplied metal bushes fit ? I'm guessing outboard end of lower rear wishbones but I can't
find that confirmed anywhere ?
Cheers
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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Andrew Bause
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 posted on 4/4/05 at 12:20 PM |
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AVON Poly Bushes
Hi Dave,
You will have to cut down the bushes slightly as the bush shoulder need to be flush with the wishbone tube for them to fit the brackets on the
chassis.
Metal bushes should be fitted in the lower outboard joint of the rear susspension, attached pic shows.
Cheers!
Andy Bause
VX 16v AVON
 
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 12:47 PM |
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Cheers, guess i will now have to remove a couple of bushes  which will no doubt be more difficult than fitting them
In your picture it would appear that the rear wishbones are the other way round than explained in the book (bad english). The book says that the
longer arm should be to the rear...
Is that just an optical illusion or is it another "feature" of the book to be wary of ?
Cheers
Dave
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 01:41 PM |
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Any suggestions on the best way to cut the bushes down ?
cheers
Dave
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carlgeldard
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 02:22 PM |
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The book is wrong. Fit the lower rear wishbones opposite way to what it says in the book. Well thats if you are looking at revison one of book.
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 03:51 PM |
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cheers... yet another - tigerism....
Dave
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andrew.carwithen
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 04:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by carlgeldard
The book is wrong. Fit the lower rear wishbones opposite way to what it says in the book. Well thats if you are looking at revison one of book.
WTF??!! 
Please, Carl, please tell me you're mistaken!!!
As I've mentioned elsewhere, I've got a v.early chassis and I bought it part - built c/w original edition of the
'book'.
My rear wishbones are as per the book, i.e. longer arms of 'bones (both upper and lower) are at rear.
( I must admit, that the shockers are twisted within their brackets - but I put this down to yet another example of 'iffy' Tiger quality
standards and the rubber bushes.)
So, your saying that the revised edition of the book states that they should be fitted the opposite way round?!! - Is that both the upper and
lower 'bones or just the lower?
I need to get this right, 'cos it means I'm gonna have to strip the rear end down (yet again!!)
If anyone's got the revised edition, can they please double check this for me, before I embark on swapping them around. I'd really
appreciate it.
Many thanks,
Andy.
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 04:08 PM |
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and so another can of worms is opened.......
Dave
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Hellfire
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 04:13 PM |
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I read this section of LB often - it's reassuring! 
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andrew.carwithen
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 04:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DaveFJ
and so another can of worms is opened.......
...You started it!!!
Andy.
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carlgeldard
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 04:36 PM |
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Andy
About 2 years ago at Coiln King's (Avon builder near York) Graham,Pat,Coiln and I were talking about things tiger related (as you do) and it was
agreed by all four of us that the book was wrong. Colin also said "Jim said the book is wrong flip the wishbone over" I know for a fact
that Tiger now put a small bead of weld on the wishbone to indicate which way around they go,But I can not tell you if its the weld bead to the front
or rear.
Carl
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carlgeldard
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 04:39 PM |
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Sorry forgot to say I don't know what it say's in the second book but chances are they only changed the picture on the front cover and the
price. (locost revision of the book)
Carl
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andrew.carwithen
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 05:08 PM |
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Carl,
I've just had a look at Colin King's build manual (downloaded from N.E.T.O.C site).
He states that the 'weld' on the lower bones goes to the rear.
Do yours have this weld marking and, if so, what arm is it on (longer or shorter?)
There's a revised edition book on ebay at mo'. I'll see if I can put in a successful bid, (finishes tomorrow) and if so, I'll
be able to tell all, what exactly, the differences are between the two editions (so, please, will nobody else on here bid on it!)
Andy.
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Northy
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 05:10 PM |
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I spoke to Tiger directly about this (after the above night), and they said, "No fit them as the book." After discussing this with them
for a while, they said they would go and put one together to try. They then said, " Your right, fit them oposite to what the book (1st edition)
says."
The most important thing is the measurement from the back of the chassis to the end of the wishbone it mentions in the book, is it 110mm from
memory?
Sorry
Graham
Website under construction. Help greatfully received as I don't really know what I'm doing! 
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Northy
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 05:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
I read this section of LB often - it's reassuring!
I little bird told me your not having such a simple time on your rebuild though
Graham
Website under construction. Help greatfully received as I don't really know what I'm doing!
"If a man says something in the woods and there are no women there, is he still wrong?"
Built 2L 8 Valve Vx Powered Avon
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andrew.carwithen
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 05:18 PM |
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Graham,
Did you flip over both upper and lower wishbones or just the lower?
Andy.
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Northy
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 05:19 PM |
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Just lower
Graham
Website under construction. Help greatfully received as I don't really know what I'm doing!
"If a man says something in the woods and there are no women there, is he still wrong?"
Built 2L 8 Valve Vx Powered Avon
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andrew.carwithen
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 05:29 PM |
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So, to recap:-
Upper wishbone - long arm to rear.
Lower wishbone - long arm to front.
Correct?
Thanks,
Andy.
P.S.
(I'll probably ask the same question on the main Tiger forum - There's far too much space taken up with technical queries on the Cat and
Six anyway! )
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carlgeldard
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 05:33 PM |
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I made my own wishbones so I don't have the welds in question.
Hellfire:-You would love the engineering challenge and you are only jealous because you got an MK
Carl
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carlgeldard
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 05:36 PM |
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Andy
It was disscussed on the old Yahoo site do a search
Carl
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andrew.carwithen
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 06:38 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by carlgeldard
Andy
It was disscussed on the old Yahoo site do a search
Carl
Found it!
( still listed in 'my favourites' Surprised I was still able to search old messages:cool
Yep, flip over bottom 'bones only.
Not out of the woods yet, though.....
Carl, I know you haven't swapped your uprights from one side to another ( I seem to remember you saying on another post somewhere that your
callipers are at the front?)
But, Graham and I have so that callipers are at rear.
So, Graham, if you read this, did the bones and uprights still line up ok inspite of this? (thought there was some sort of offset in the uprights as
well?)
Thanks,
Andy.
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Northy
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 06:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by andrew.carwithen
So, Graham, if you read this, did the bones and uprights still line up ok inspite of this? (thought there was some sort of offset in the uprights as
well?)
Thanks,
Andy.
Yes, no offset in the upright
Graham
Website under construction. Help greatfully received as I don't really know what I'm doing!
"If a man says something in the woods and there are no women there, is he still wrong?"
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andrew.carwithen
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 07:20 PM |
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Yes, no offset in the upright
Good! Oh well, looks like I'll be swapping the rear end around again then!
While I'm at it, Is it advisable to replace the rubber type bushes for Poly? - are they that superior? (I'd imagine it'd be a bitch
of a job to remove the rubber ones?)
Should I get them from Tiger or are there better alternatives out there?
Finally, As Davef asked in his last post, what is the best way of cutting down the poly bushes to fit?
(I do apologise, Dave, I did somewhat hijack your post! )
Cheers,
Andy.
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Lightning
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 08:46 PM |
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Buggered if I'm changing mine . I spent ages aligning the rear wheels for camber and toe.
Steve
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Andrew Bause
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 09:51 PM |
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AVON Rear Wishbones
Dave, I'm assuming you have a late kit as you have Poly bushes? The rear lower wishbones have a short line of weld to indicate the side facing
the rear of the car.
Cheers!
Andy Bause
VX 16v AVON
[Edited on 4/4/05 by Andrew Bause]
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