Just
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| posted on 24/5/06 at 08:30 AM |
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Tiger E1 - would you buy one built?
Having read through this section, mainly regarding the Avon I see that most people agree that other kits are better bets. However, is the same true
once you have managed to build it. In other words if I am not building but buying are Tigers still a bad bet?
I ask as I have been looking for a MK and Tigers are more common - if I find a good one will I be ok?
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graememk
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| posted on 24/5/06 at 08:34 AM |
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personally i dont think theres anything wrong with them
k33ts on here has a very nice one
[Edited on 24/5/06 by graememk]
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DarrenW
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| posted on 24/5/06 at 08:48 AM |
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Tigers are not a bad bet. they have a larger range than most so you can select one to suit you and your budget. i have heard comments from some that
certain areas of the build are a touch tricky. They would appear to have some of the best bodywork on the market if you like a challenge. personally i
wouldnt choose a car that uses the full Sierra back end but for casual road runs they are fine.
At the end of the day there are several factors in choosing a se7en inspired sportscar. What do you want to use it for, performance expectations, self
build, factory build, bec or cec, etc etc.
Buying the cheapest shouldnt be the first priority. The car with the best price may cost you more in the long run (and i dont just mean £££).
Get along to a big show and take a look. preferably one with a big owners turnout. They will all talk you to death and offer advice. Initially you
will be more confused but your shortlist should be reduced. Then is a good time to visit the factories.
Ref budget - you will find that like for like nearly all of the manufactureres covered on here are more or less the same cost. The problem is that
very rarely can you compare like for like due to the huge choices you have to face when speccing one up.
Take your time choosing, i know the sun is shining (ish) but most people keep their cars for a long time and a bad decision is hard to live with.
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Just
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| posted on 24/5/06 at 09:39 AM |
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Thanks Darren, I am only looking to buy built and upgrade. It will only be used on road not track so out and out performance is not such a big issue
for me. I am looking for a ready running car that can be upgraded and will not be hard to source parts or tuning elements for, but also handles well
and isn't hampered by having to have been built with bespoke or hard to get hold of older parts.
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DarrenW
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| posted on 24/5/06 at 10:06 AM |
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Thats fair enough. Most of the comments concerning tigers have been with the actual build. Once built the concerns have been dealt with. Id personally
choose one that doesnt use the full Sierra back end as i have been led to believe the others handle better for occasional track days etc.
Loads of Tigers have been built so there should be bargains to be had.
You will have a lot of choice of cars at around the 6K mark. If you are looking into future engine swaps do your homework first as they can add up to
more than you realise.
Mac#1 have their 2.0 Zetec factory built demo car for sale. Its had plenty of mag reviews and was featured at a lot of shows when in Police livery. It
is a fantastic car that will not need any mods for what i consider to be a bargain (its more than 6K but has full throttle body conversion, refreshed
engine and OMEX ECU, Wilwood brakes etc etc.) Worth calling Mark hinchcliffe for the low down (0114 2619633) or visit m1moc.com for pic.
Macspeedy is also selling his car - well worth a look.
Whatever you choose just satisfy yourself that it is well built. Its not always easy modding someone elses work as it could be hard getting into their
mindset when grafting in your bits. That said most people take a lot of pride in their work and SVA has made things a lot better.
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VanHaydn
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 posted on 24/5/06 at 11:07 AM |
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think! try! buy!
everybodys a proff in this world.....some are out to screw you up the arse without vasaline...some will even bring their own....some will rip you off
and spit in your grave for a laugh.....and some will even take your money knowing full well they are about to go bang!so......
you get the bike engined lunatics....and car engined engineers.....in my personal experince as a bike mechanic 25 years in the industry.... having
built my own gp bike from nothing...pretty much like your kit cars in this country... (which was stolen from me in south africa....need i say
more)...bike engines give low power to weight but lack torque and bottem end punch....and most of the track days ive been to well actually all of the
track days ive been to 90% of the bike engined cars bonetts are off ...open... or up..and two or three guys fiddling to get it back out there.....very
fragile clutches as its used to pulling 150....200 kgs along at 5 million revs a min...sounds great..the average kit weighs in at 450....to 700
kgs....not much maths to to do as to why you will be putting new clutch plates and gaskets and time into the thing.... and you cant take any fat birds
for a spin....(and everybody knows that fat birds are better in bed as they do it like its gonna be their last time.....) ...now loads of choice with
car engines too...much more expensive than bike setups...hmmm i wonder why...eg: bike engine no mods bout 1500...dodgy reverse systems..car
engine...about 5 grand fairly souped up..like my dunnell this and that....400 bucks for engine...500 for carbs...ect ect...lightened flywheel bla bla
bla..and ya got 165 bhp with enough torque to take two fat birds to the woods on a long uphill and not have the cars tung draging out on the
deck! ....well my fisrt 7stylie was a e1...loved the freedom it gave me to overtake as i would on a bike....just tail heavy in corners in the
wet...spins out like a chinese whore..if ya dont pay her...but loved it anyway....so go out there drive the car if ya bond with it get it you wont be
unhappy....sweet ahve fun and take care...bunch of wanker truck drivers out there....
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viatron
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| posted on 24/5/06 at 12:02 PM |
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bit biased, i run the tiger owners club website and have built an avon and am building a Cat E1. But out of interest there is a Cat racing in the
Tiger Racing Series that is doing very well againt R6's and B6's so it cant be that badder handling!! Agreed that all tigers products have
their .......challenges? but they dont purport to be be a simple bolt together ala westfield and for some of us that is a plus point as it means that
whilst fabricating solutions customisation is possible. If you havent checked out the owners club try www.tigerownersclub.co.uk I have seen a lot of
very nicely put together Cat E1's, check out the gallery, there is always a chance the one you are looking at is there. At the end of the day it
will be down to individual build quality and spec, drive it and go through it with a fine toothed comb, generally speaking, as with most kits in my
opinion, if it looks well put together it probably is.
Mac
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 24/5/06 at 01:11 PM |
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I dont know much about the different kits mate but I have built my own MK and its cost me a lot
you will not be able to beat the buzz from a bike engine
In all honesty if I was to do this again
I would buy a MK indy with a sierra engine already done passed the SVA etc get them to make new cradle
get a new body ie probably a different colour with bonnet bulge etc
new wheels and R1 baby
I will deff be doing that next time
ta
chris
so my idea is to buy a tidy one but cheaper then modify because its already passed SVA and all that
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Just
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| posted on 24/5/06 at 02:25 PM |
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Thanks guys, I should say that at this stage my max budget is £5k to buy a ready built and run it for the first year.
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 24/5/06 at 02:31 PM |
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you should be able to get any of the kits for about 5 grand with a engine like a pinto in
ta chris
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Just
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| posted on 24/5/06 at 03:50 PM |
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MK + Pinto would be perfect but can't find one for £5k anywhere - perhaps wrong time of year?
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DarrenW
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| posted on 24/5/06 at 04:02 PM |
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MK-Indy-Built-By-Which-Kit-Car_W0QQitemZ4643456857QQcategoryZ29750QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Locost-Kit-Car-Not-Westfield-Caterham-Robin-Hood_W0QQitemZ4642001711QQcategoryZ29750QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROBIN-HOOD-2B-KIT-CAR-LOTUS-7-STYLE_W0QQitemZ4640416750QQcategoryZ29750QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
It would appear that your budget should get an alright car but if you stretch it you might get a better one.
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VanHaydn
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| posted on 24/5/06 at 05:14 PM |
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check out piston heads
found a nice looking car here for u mate
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/64416.htm
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Just
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| posted on 24/5/06 at 06:55 PM |
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Thanks Darren, that MK looks like it came on today - will try and find out more on it. Have seen the locost listed before and don't want a RH.
VanHaydn - thanks seen that car somewhere before but not at that price - ta!
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DarrenW
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| posted on 25/5/06 at 09:22 AM |
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TBH i didnt think youd like them. It was just a tongue in cheek reply. I proved it to myself that there isnt that many out there on first glance.
Wrong time of year i guess.
I had a chuckle this morning when i read this thread again. It a bit like walking into B&Q and asking the Kitchen salesman if he would fit one of
these in his Kitchen!!!! Surprisingly you have had some nice unbiassed views. Just goes to show we arent all one track minds.
Buy a mac#1 kit and build it - you know it makes sense
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DarrenW
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| posted on 25/5/06 at 12:42 PM |
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If i was you id have a serious think about this.
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=44970
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Just
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| posted on 25/5/06 at 07:36 PM |
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Yeah I guess so, but then a salesman knows the product better than anyone (bad and good) 
Anywho, the MK is actually £6500 but the Zetec Striker could still be a go'er - just trying to find out if it's SVA'd.
The Gemini looks nice but with no SVA it could be a pup and I don't have time to get one ready for SVA before the end of the summer.
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VanHaydn
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 posted on 25/5/06 at 09:15 PM |
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strikers the nutsack mate
thats a clean car mate.....strange concept but awsome paint job and ya cant go wrong with that engine.....drive it and if ya smile hurts ya
face......thats the one!!!!!!
and remember dont hold youself back....nobodys lookin!!!!!!!!
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JoelP
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| posted on 25/5/06 at 09:56 PM |
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a bought a locost for £2k, stuck a bike engine in for less than a grand. Thats a cheap way to have a lot of fun!
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Just
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| posted on 26/5/06 at 05:34 PM |
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Comments on this Tiger for £4800 would be welcome;
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4640621117&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
Also this Westfield at £4k;
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/77985.htm
Could well be seeing this weekend and as both are in budget a purchase of either is possible.
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Lightning
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| posted on 29/5/06 at 09:53 PM |
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I Like the Westie can't go wrong at that money (if the car is straight)
Steve
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Just
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| posted on 30/5/06 at 12:07 PM |
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Well, I went and bought the Tiger in the end. It was a great example, low mileage, well built and SVA'd no probs. Got it for £4600 in the end
and drove the 90 miles home no problems.
However once I got home it proceeded to dump all of it's water over the garage floor - looks like I have joined the kit-car club well and truly
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VanHaydn
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| posted on 30/5/06 at 01:03 PM |
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welcome to the tigers den mate....
your tiga needs some mods to the roll bar and lotsa loving ....dont let anyone drive it unless they give you all the money for a new one in your hand
before they put their pretty little bum in the drivers seat...trust me it could cost you a good friendship plus the expence of a new car!
 
Rescued attachment tiger.JPG
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DarrenW
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| posted on 30/5/06 at 03:29 PM |
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When you say it dumped its water do you mean just a bit or all?
Ive had both happen to me. When it dumped all it was a core plug failure. It was the one behind bell housing which can only be changed with engine out
- mine fixed with JB Weld for now and has help together for over 1,000 miles with no probs at all.
Im not running a header tank and it pushes some water out when its finding its own level - nothing to worry about as long as level doesnt get too
low.
Looks like a great car, well done. Ive no experience of the 1800 but can confirm the 2000 runs well with kent cam. (Mine has FR32).
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Just
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| posted on 30/5/06 at 03:57 PM |
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The header tank was pretty much empty this morning. When I took the cap off to check the level a little more dripped onto the garage floor from
underneath - I think it is coming from around the rad area, but will know more once the nose is off.
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