hi all, a mate of mine has decided to go BEC!
he wants to be a little different from most of you and has bought a Suzuki TL 1000R, rather than a 4pot this beastie is a V-Twin, he's already taken it out and is getting ready to offer it up in to position but one thing is worrying him.
He is a bit worried about potential oil surge problems, does anyone here have any experience with these motors? will it be a problem?
Cheers.
scotty.

Speak to NS Dev on here. he's building a twin V-Twin monster (for grass track racing).

On kit car crisis (was on, on Sunday) the guy gets taken out in a car powered by a TL Thou.

Stonking motor, a bit like an off/on switch power wise when in a bike but should be good for a BEC.

I've seen a couple of front-engined, rwd TL-powered cars before though I'm not sure what they've had to do (if anything) regarding oil surge.

For what it's worth, a late 'S' (98-on) motor is fitter than an 'R'....

Used to have a TL1000s (year 2000 model), and have often wondered why the motors aren't often used in bec's.
Ok you lose a bit of power but the torque goes up, which surely should make them better in traffic / at the lights etc.

Not a BEC expert, but final gearing will need adjusting from a 4 pot engine I would think, due to the lower redline.

And don't forget the straight through exhaust for making a right feckin din when you go for a blat.

As for oil surge, due to the tendency for v twins to want to turn into uni-cycle's I would think the manufacturers would have put a good deal of thought and design into oiling systems.

But I could be wrong.

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Originally posted by billynomatesAs for oil surge, due to the tendency for v twins to want to turn into uni-cycle's I would think the manufacturers would have put a good deal of thought and design into oiling systems.

But I could be wrong.

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I think you would struggle to get a 90° v into a seven type car, my Aprilia rsv 60° motor is a tight fit and the prop only just clears. The aprilia also has a dry sump so quids in!
There are a few photos in my archive if your interested

He now has the engine offered up into position in the chassis and it seems to fit a treat, no clearance issues plus a sh1t load of space in front of it, will try to get a piccy or two tomorrow for you all.

here's a pic of the engine in place, look how much room there is!!!!!!
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The only real issue with a TL lies with the early 'S' - the crankcase can break around the gearbox sprocket. As yours is an 'R' it should be fine!

It's a surprisingly good fit!

i'd look at improving the engine bay triangulation - you might as well as you've got the room.

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Originally posted by MikeR
i'd look at improving the engine bay triangulation - you might as well as you've got the room.

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While it would probably look odd I'm surprised no one has tried lopping out 6inches of engine bay on a BEC (or 12" on a V-Twin for a weight saving and a more go-kart feel.

On a more serious note I'm building a middy based on a transverse engine (car is designed for an A-series). I'd like to have a go making it a BEC but don't have the length of engine bay to do a chain drive diff. Could a TL be mated to a conventional diff transaxle stylee? I seem to remember there was a mid engine fury that did something similar with a super short prop, but if they could be bolted up using some kind of adaptor plate it would be better.

Though thinking about the complexity it might have to wait in line with all the other mad ideas

Hi, If you e-mail me I will put you in touch with the guy whose V-twin car featured in Kit-Car crisis.

Having raced with him it goes and sounds awesome!!!

He is happy to answer any questions on the car build - he is now in his 4th season of racing it!!!!!

Brian

[Edited on 14/10/07 by bjw970s]

Guys, one of you must know the measurement for the tl engine?? or chassis width?