do they exist?
the reason i as is,a few weeks ago i was woken by a sniffing noise by my ear,just like my dog did but he died a few days before
then last night i woke with a start,there was a human shape standing by my bed,i jumped up and grabbed the knife i keep by the bed,turned the light on
and had a wander round but found no-one.
this morning i rang my G/F,she told me she was talking to me about that time....she is 800 miles away
so do they exist or am i loosing the plot?
Loosing the plot!
you mind playing tricks on you mate, don't want to pri but do you have any underlying worries at the moments. trying to sleep whilst having worrying thoughts usually leads to a bad nights sleep and your mind playing tricks on you
Im sure they exist, and we have some one who lives at my house, quite often we have heard mumbling/muffled talking from either the hall, or small back
bedroom
we have also had plates/bottles in the kitchen jump off the worktops and land in the middle of the kitchen floor (twice)
wife me and step son were all in the lounge
stepson freaked, and departed very quickley !!!
Ive had a couple of other encounters, and one was at work
Do i believe, yes,
do i expect othere to believe, no
My grandson 10, will not go upstairs on his own when its dark
Steve
Ghosts are like god, you either believe or you don't. I believe in ghosts but that is due to personal experiences, usual thing I suppose, until see it, hear it etc it doesn't exist, but when you do experience something then you start to believe.
Why was your girlfriend talking to you when you were 800 miles away?
P.S. Personally I'd swap that knife for a blunt object.
We live in a 16th century house and my wife and grandson and our dog have all experienced contact with what we would term ghosts. I think you have to
be sensitive to have these experiences which is probably the reason that I've not had any contact. 
[Edited on 5/11/10 by 2cv]
There's actually a really quick way to tell if your house is haunted......
It isn't
I'm one of those people who doesn't actaully 'believe' as such (being an engineer you have that sort of mind set) but I would
serisouly 5h1t my pants if I did experience such 'contact'.
to make you completely paranoid, you need to watch the film 'paranoral activity'....
Really sorry to hear about the old dog. Have you got another yet?
D
I believe, having experienced some activities that I cant explain.
But, being a bit atheist they may have, or not been our perception of 'ghosts'
I would say seeing as you where in sleep mode it was your mind playing tricks.
I think your experiences which both start with waking suddenly are much more likely to be dream/sleep disturbances. If ghosts did exist why would they
only exist at the moment you awake from deep sleep.
Personally I don't believe in ghosts, or yeti or bigfoot or gods. Sometimes wish I did. The world might appear less ridiculous.
Yes they do ..... but that belief is due to personal experience........many of them ......
I do not expect anyone else to believe though...you need to have an 'experience' to be able to have an informed opinion.
I would love to think and believe that there is a rational and logical explanation.......and I expect that the psyche is far more powerful than we at
present understand.
Just one little ditty ..... quite a few years ago when I was living far from my home town, and the only phone was a public kiosk 5 minutes walk away,
I awoke in the night to see 'someone' standing over my daughters crib. The figure then sat on my bed and patted my arm ..... focusing in the
dark, I could see it was my granddad.
He said nothing, but just smiled and carried on patting my arm. I looked at the clock, it was 1am.
The following morning I just had to phone home, to be told the news that my grandfather had passed away during the night at 12.50am.
A ghost or the psyche? who knows ....................... ?
I think we should have had this thread last weekend ..... 
Fozzie
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Originally posted by Fozzie
I would love to think and believe that there is a rational and logical explanation.......and I expect that the psyche is far more powerful than we at present understand.
Fozzie
I have never seen a ghost or had any experiences which could be termed supernatural, however I can't believe that the only life forms that exist
are the mammals, fish, invertebrates, birds etc which inhabit this planet.
So probably not ghosts but aliens from another dimension
Sounds like a bad dream to me.
Swap the knife for a blunt instrument as said, but if you're having dreams like that I'd get rid altogether before you "wake up and
defend yourself" only to find it was the girlfriend (when she's there) on the way back from the toilet... get another dog instead.
I don't believe in ghosts as such. I have heard a theory about where all the energy goes from a body when it dies though and the possibility that
a "fingerprint" of energy is left behind that others can pick up much later.
The other things I'd say (as someone who suffers from what is commonly known as Night Terrors) are:
1. Don't under estimate what are likely to be dreams - even when you think you're awake
2. Get rid off that knife - I routinely jump around the bedroom trying to protect my family from an invisible (and non existent!) foe! Having a knife
would be an accident waiting to happen.
I have an 'engineer's mind set' and have never been religious, never believed in ghosts, until...
My experience was 13 years ago, in broad daylight at 2:00pm on a sunny afternoon and shared with four other people. Totally rocked my logical world.
Having said that it made that world a lot more interesting and a much happier place.
It also helped me to cope with the loss of my wife a eleven years later, after the initial insanity of grief.
So I guess we can't know for 100% certain until we croak ourselves, but for me personally I would be more than happy to go anytime, as death now
holds no fear for me at all.
Another recommendation to get rid of the knife... one vivid dream of the wrong type and things could go badly awry (especially for someone sleeping
next to you!)!
As for ghosts... my Dad is convinced they exist and although I generally believe everything that man tells me, I've still got to say that their
existence is highly improbable for me!
I've had a few experiences during the night where I've been convinced that something 'strange' was going on, but on deeper
reflection I've come to the conclusion that I've been dreaming in the REM phase. Most of my dreams centre around historic 'highs and
lows' experienced during my lifetime and I'm often left in a confused state about what was real and what was not until I've fully
awoken.
Recent trauma's (like your dog dying ) are classic subjects for invoking razor-sharp dreams.
I've also experienced a few things like Fozzie described with her Grandad, but I've put that down to a strange sort of deja-vu complex
reinterpreting or reorganising my dreams.
That said... I would be (much) more inclined to consider that there might be some prospect of a 'spirit world' before I would consider there
being the existence of a great creator and constant god.
With an estimated total number of dead people on earth as 115,000,000,000 and a current population of 6,800,000,000 means there are crudely 17 dead
people / ghosts for every live person. With 17 dead people around everyone, that should give a total of 425 dead people in my factory on the trading
estate and Heathrow Airport should have 3,060,000 dead people every day.
Statistically we should have witnessed a single spiritual event and had persons to witness it or caught on CCTV. So I find it questionable that
ghosts only ever seem turn up (like UFO's) at night, in the dark and rarely to groups of people. By rights, cities, which have been populated
the longest and also operate 24hrs a day should see regular occurrences, in front of numerous witnesses.
Human eyes are mechanically simple are cannot see magical extra dimensions or detect other forms of energy. Personally I thinks its psychological.
I was just reading the post by Fozzie and just as Im reading the wind blew. the blinds here at work behind me clattered and I jumped 6 feet accross
the room....
my grandad used to work at tilbury docks. he was walking past a window to an office at work, looked in and saw a man laying on the floor, he turned
away and called for help, when he looked back the man was gone, and the only way out of the room was through a door next to the window.
he hadn't just woken up, he was at work and it was broad day light. i don't know how people can say it 'only' happens at night
when people just wake up.
Crikey Blake... if I had a pound for every time I'd done a double-take and what I thought I'd seen turned out to be something completely
different, or nothing at all but a trick of the light, then I'd have at least £143 under my mattress
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Crikey Blake... if I had a pound for every time I'd done a double-take and what I thought I'd seen turned out to be something completely different, or nothing at all but a trick of the light, then I'd have at least £143 under my mattress
I don't think 'it' just 'happens' at night either .......
but that's another story............or........... 20
Well if he says he saw it Blake, then that's good enough for me!
quote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
I don't think 'it' just 'happens' at night either .......
but that's another story............or........... 20
One night while at work (out flying)
We did a double take at a single mysterious light travelling toward us. Wasnt strobing ..
As it went past , all be it very briefly we thought UFO. It was a fairly large object and travelling rapidly away from us.
We about turned , and had a closer look. The biggest Chinese lantern & the first one I had seen close up.
So yes your eyes play big tricks on you at night, sometimes ends up in aircraft flying into hillsides, mix eye trickery with a bit of tiredness and
maybe you could see a ghost.
My view as Ive not seen one (yet) is its about whether your up to believing in ghosts or otherwise.
its a weird one, because you can't prove they don't exist.
you can't REALLY prove to anyone they do if you see one yourself, either.
its all down to what you beleive. i've never seen anything personally, but i'm open minded to it.
quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
its a weird one, because you can't prove they don't exist.
you can't REALLY prove to anyone they do if you see one yourself, either.
its all down to what you beleive. i've never seen anything personally, but i'm open minded to it.
quote:
Originally posted by Confused but excited.
I have an 'engineer's mind set' and have never been religious, never believed in ghosts, until...
My experience was 13 years ago, in broad daylight at 2:00pm on a sunny afternoon and shared with four other people. Totally rocked my logical world. Having said that it made that world a lot more interesting and a much happier place.
It also helped me to cope with the loss of my wife a eleven years later, after the initial insanity of grief.
So I guess we can't know for 100% certain until we croak ourselves, but for me personally I would be more than happy to go anytime, as death now holds no fear for me at all.
well, i said i'd never seen anything myself, years ago, i used to see a drip of water fall in front of me. didn't matter where i was or what
i was doing.
one night though i was standing in the house talking to my mum, i saw this drop of water. but i didn't say anything. my mum bent down and started
to rub the carpet and then the ceiling, i asked what she was doing, she said she'd seen a drip of water and thought a pipe had burst, and checked
the floor and ceiling for wetness. not seen it for a while now though
I'm completely open to the concept... nay probability... that there are other life forms out in the Universe!
"I'm completely open to the concept... nay probability... that there are other life forms out in the Universe! "
absoloutley, how can we be so conceted, that we are the only inteligent (some of us) life in our universe
Steve
blakep82, I'll have a go tomorrow if you want. Not got the time now.
IMHO when you're brown bread you're brown bread. The interesting bit is trying to decide when that's happened. Death isn't a light
switch it's a dimmer switch being turned down slowly (usually anyway, obviously Mr AQ with his TNT enema surprise breaks this rule)....
But I think it's a when it's gone it's gone type scenario. I've walked down too many dark hospital corridors at night without
anything happening to stop believing!!!
quote:
Originally posted by steve m
"I'm completely open to the concept... nay probability... that there are other life forms out in the Universe! "
absoloutley, how can we be so conceted, that we are the only inteligent (some of us) life in our universe
Steve
I was once driving on my own at about 2am on the A607, i turned off onto a small country back road and carried on for about 4 miles. My back was
feeling a bit stiff so I adjusted the seat which helped. I changed from Radio 4 to an Ulrich Schnauss CD, the sound quality was really vivid. As I
went down a steep hill through thick woodland with snow lining the roadside, I suddenly felt cold. I turned on my heated seat and, at that point,
realised just how refined and sophisticated my Volvo 965 SE really is.
Pics/videos or it didn't happen
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thanks for all your replies peeps,i would love to get another dog but it wouldnt be fair on him/her now i have a deep and meaningfull job.
as for the knife...point taken,ill keep the rifle under my pillow instead
.
you need a bag of 2p's in an old walking sock...
Well, I've seen a few corpses in my time and I can say that when they are gone, they're gone. I've also been visited regularly by my
dear departed relatives from time to time. They are called DREAMS.
Also, the only other people I know who have claimed to have seen ghosts were also heavily into all sorts of drugs. Credibility=zero in other words.
I dunno, whilst I'm open to the idea of ghosts, it would take one showing itself to me and giving me a 3 hour lecture (with power point slides
mind you) to convince me they exist
On another note, for personal defence I tend to keep my reenactment weaponry in a wardrobe. That way it's relatively easy to hand, it's all
rebated so won't kill anyone (without serious effort!) and scares the living excrement out of anyone who see's it Got a particularly
handy short sword (the lads call it Rexcalibur), made out of an old leaf spring!
quote:
Originally posted by graememk
in an old walking sock...
There's got to be something, I've seen and heard too much that can't be explained any other way. Missus has also seen and heard people
in various houses throughout her job and there's been no-one there (e.g. heard someone else upstairs, no-one in the building)
I watched something about magnetic energy/strong fields distorting your eyeballs so you see things, but you could argue that light does the same
thing.
As for aliens, if we say one in a million stars carries a planet capable of supporting life, and one in a million of those have had circumstances in
which life could start, and one in a million of them actually supported life... well how many stars are out there? It's a mathematical
inevitability
Well in response to 'blakep82', here goes...
Firstly about me. I have always been a 'prove it' sort of guy but open minded as opposed to cynical. Having said that, the more I learn, the
more I realise how little we actually know and that we seem to understand even less. Both my sons were reared to be of the same ilk.
Now as to what happened to me to change things, although now I come to actually write this down for the first time, I realise that I haven't
changed at all.
Actually two things happend to me that rocked my world.
Firstly, I had a very great friend that was like an elder brother/mentor to me. In early 1998 he came to see us and when I opened the door I had the
shock of my life. His skin was orange, not jaundice yellow but bright orange like he had been 'Tangoed'. When I raised the matter he told me
that he had a hospital appointment the following morning.
Later the following day I got a phone call from a mutual friend to say that my mate Ronnie had been diagnosed with advanced liver cancer.
On arrival at the hospital the doctor informed us that he had about 12 weeks to live and that they erwe going to keep him in for the rest of the week
to stabilise him and then he could go home. We asked the doctor if he would be fit to travel as Ronnie lived alone and we were moving from Liverpool
to Anglesey and wanted to take care of him during his final time. the doc thought this would be a good idea so we told Ronnie that he was moving with
us. This made him very happy as he was obviously concered as to what was going to happen to him.
Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately but the details of his condition are not important to the narrative here) Ronnie didn't even last the
week.
It transpired that Ronnie had made me his executor, so it fell on me to sort out the bank, his landlord, his estate and his funeral arrangements. The
later was not so simple.
Let me give you some background about Ronnie as it it is relevant.
Ronnie was the most well educated man that I have ever met and possibly one of the nicest human beings to grace the planet. He was not formally
educated with a string of qualifications but could hold a meaningful conversation on almost any subject that you could care to name; physics,
chemistry, botany, biology, electronics, electrical engineering, building work, he had a mind like a huge sponge. He also was interested in various
esoteric subjects; astrology, tarot, spiritualism. He tried to interest me in the latter, with zero success. He was a real cartoon typr inventor. When
he had abee in his bonnet about a new project he would forget to eat and change his clothes (he would often work around the clock and cat-nap). He
would tie his trousers up with a piece of wire because he could be bothered looking for a belt if he was particularly busy.
We had a standing joke with Ronnie. If he went out anywhere he always found money in the street. Usually only coppers but always something. On his way
home he would call in to ours for a brew and a chat and give my wife whatever money he had found to 'feed her pigs'. My wife collected china
pig money boxes at the time.
As I said Ronnie was a spiritualist, so now I have to organise a funeral and don't have a clue as to how spiritualists go about it. I went to see
his old landlady who was also a spititualis to ask her to contact their 'minister' and see if they would officiate. She came back to me to
inform me that their minister was on holiday but the church had been in touch with someone from the St.Helens church and they would be willing to
travel to conduct the service. Job done.
So, it's 2:00pm on a sunny spring day and a small group of us, my wife, my sons, a couple of friends and myuself, are stood outside the crem
waiting to go in, for Ronnie's service. Suddenly Ronnie's mate garbed my arm and pionted towards part of the gardens surrounding the Crem.
Standing next to a small conifer, about 20 yards away, is what looked like Ronnie's double. Only this guy is dressed in a three piece pin stripe
suit and looking like a merchant banker. After the initial shock, I think ,ah this must be Ronnie's brother, the one that I couldn't find. I
walked towards him to invite him to join us. As I started walking towards him he smiled at me and turned to the right and stepped behind the conifer.
I assumed that he was coming around the tree to meet me. Exept that when I get there, there is nowher for anyone to stand and nowhere for antone to
walk as it is all solid shrubbery about 5 yards deep all around the tree. That's when the hair came up on my neck. Especially as everyone had
seen'Ronnie', as solid as granite, not some wispy apparition.
We all went into the crem and had the service. When we came out we are all stood around waiting for the cars. The lady who had conducted the service
came out and asked my wife "Who is John"? My wife pointed to me and said "That's my husband, he is standing over there". I
was stood slightly apart from the others as I wanted a moment alone and I was crying. I had just lost a very close friend. She came up to me and said
" I have a message from Ronnie, did you see him"? Here we go I thought, some well meaning claptrap. While I was realising that she had just
asked me if I had seen him, she said "I have just seen this on the floor and Ronnie told me to pick it up and give it to you, as you would
understand"! She then gave me a five pence piece and asked me if I new what it meant. You should have seen the looks I got as I burst out
laughing.
The second incident took place in July 2008 as my wife lay in hospital dying.
You will need a little background to this too.
Both Mo and I had been married before and both had children from those marriages. So my eldest son is from my first marriage and my youngest son is
from Mo's first marriage.
So we are around Mo's bed, the boys on either side holding her hands and I am at the foot of the bed stroking her feet. Her brother was sat
beside me.My youngets son has been complaining of a severe headache all morning and he said that he had to go out for a smoke and some fresh air.
After ten minutes he did not come back so I told Mo that I was just going out to check on our youngest and would only be gone a few seconds. The
outside door was only a few feet from Mo's room. When I got outside my youngest son is distraught. I ask how he is holding up and he said "
My head is wrecked Dad. I don't understand, my Mum is in there dying and have a blinding headache but I feel incredibly excited". This
through me to say the least but not as much as what he said next. He suddenly looked at me and said "I know what it is, it's our Joanne! She
is excited because Mum is coming." Now that shook me ridgid. Joanne was Mo's daughter from her first marriage. She died when she was three
years old due to medical negligence. My youngest son could not possibly remeber her as she was older that him and we never spoke of her to him. Mo got
too distraught and only ever spoke about her at birthadys and Christmas and then only to me.
I looked at my son and said "Don't tell me tell your Mum". we ran back inside and I asked my eldest and her brother if they would give
Mo and my youngest a moment alone. I then told my wife that he had something to tell her.
When we came back in Mo had a beautiful smile on her face and quietly went to sleep and slid away.
This has not made a 'believer' out of me because I don't believe, I know.
It made the loss of my lovely lady easier to bear after the initial insanity of grief had eased off. Because now I can look at photos of Mo and smile,
instead of feeling like I have just been stabbed.
So this is why I have no fear of death, in fact I am quite looking forward to being with my soul mate again.
OK, you asked, so I told you.
Make of it what you will.
[Edited on 6/11/10 by Confused but excited.]
wow !!
wow! i reallyt don't know what to say by any of that, but that is amazing. see, there's no way that would have been a trick of the eye, and as you said you weren't asleep. put a shiver up my back!
Our kitchen is haunted. The other day I put the kettle on and went and sat down in the living room and when I went back the kettle had been mysteriously switched off :O
quote:
Originally posted by steve m
"I'm completely open to the concept... nay probability... that there are other life forms out in the Universe! "
absoloutley, how can we be so conceted, that we are the only inteligent (some of us) life in our universe
Steve
Years ago when i lived at my mums i had a very strange encounter. I used to get the feeling someone was in the room with me but there was no-one there. One night i was asleep in bed with the bedroom door shut. I woke up to the door being opened by an what looked like an old womans bony hand. It pushed the door open about 6 inches and stayed there for about a minute then went away. I was absolutly crapping myself as only me and my parents were at home and it definatly wasn't my parent's hands. I looked through the open door and there was nothing there at all. After that the feeling someone was with me dissapeared. Still makes me go cold thinking about it. People may say it's your mind playing tricks on you but i was there and have no doubt it was real.