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RoadkillUK - 18/11/05 at 07:35 PM

What is the world coming to?

Sky News

Just a couple of miles down the road too !!

JoelP - 18/11/05 at 07:39 PM

a real shame. Say what you want, its a tough job and it does need doing.

flak monkey - 18/11/05 at 07:40 PM

All the more reason cops should be allowed to carry weapons (with proper training of course) instead of that stupid stick.

David

theconrodkid - 18/11/05 at 08:05 PM

its what happens when you let school kids get away with minor stuff,they graduate into major stuff knowing the law cant/wont touch them.
time for the rope and cops with guns again i,m afraid

steve_gus - 18/11/05 at 08:06 PM

Thats seemingly the fourth police woman to be killed in the last 20 years, 4 too many.

I dont think I would want to be a police officer attending a robbery if I knew them to be armed, and I wasnt. In fact, thats a bit nuts. There was a case a few years back when a woman was allowed to bleed to death in her house as she had been injured, and her husband they thought, had killed himself, but the police were not sure. so, they waited over an hr to be sure, and the woman died as a result.

Thats a strange contrast in caution to sending unarmed women police into a robbery situation......

The police dont actually want to be armed. It doesnt seem to do much good in the USA either if the link below is to be believed.

Putting guns in the hands of police may actually lead to more deaths of innocents, ala the man with the table leg and the tube shooting.

Its a difficult decision....

from this site ..... http://www.ichv.org/Statistics.htm

In a ten year span, 1988 to 1997, 633 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed by firearms in America. A handgun was the murder weapon in 78% (492 victims) of the fatal incidents. Over the same period of time, rifles killed 106 officers and shotguns killed 35 officers. A total of 253 law enforcement officers were slain while equipped with body armor.

john_p_b - 18/11/05 at 08:16 PM

1 big nasty circle will start before much longer. arm the police, the criminals will then go out more tooled up to match the police. then it'll get to a point of shoot on sight and before you know it the only safe place to be is 6ft under!

DorsetStrider - 19/11/05 at 01:44 AM

quote:
Originally posted by steve_gus
Thats seemingly the fourth police woman to be killed in the last 20 years, 4 too many.

I dont think I would want to be a police officer attending a robbery if I knew them to be armed, and I wasnt. In fact, thats a bit nuts. There was a case a few years back when a woman was allowed to bleed to death in her house as she had been injured, and her husband they thought, had killed himself, but the police were not sure. so, they waited over an hr to be sure, and the woman died as a result.

Thats a strange contrast in caution to sending unarmed women police into a robbery situation......

The police dont actually want to be armed. It doesnt seem to do much good in the USA either if the link below is to be believed.

Putting guns in the hands of police may actually lead to more deaths of innocents, ala the man with the table leg and the tube shooting.

Its a difficult decision....

from this site ..... http://www.ichv.org/Statistics.htm

In a ten year span, 1988 to 1997, 633 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed by firearms in America. A handgun was the murder weapon in 78% (492 victims) of the fatal incidents. Over the same period of time, rifles killed 106 officers and shotguns killed 35 officers. A total of 253 law enforcement officers were slain while equipped with body armor.

WHY oh why whenever this discussion comes up do people immediately bring the yanks into it?

The americans arn't the only police force to carry arms as a matter of course. Australia, france, ireland, in fact I THINK we are the only EU country whose police are not armed! no one mentions them.

dl_peabody - 19/11/05 at 03:39 AM

Yank here with my two pence....

quote:

In a ten year span, 1988 to 1997, 633 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed by firearms in America. A handgun was the murder weapon in 78% (492 victims) of the fatal incidents. Over the same period of time, rifles killed 106 officers and shotguns killed 35 officers. A total of 253 law enforcement officers were slain while equipped with body armor.

During the same time how many bit cops were killed? Now what is the population of your island compared to America? And the ratio of officers compared to your population? The numbers are probably closer than you think.

quote:

The police dont actually want to be armed.

Who in their right Friggin' minds dont want the right tools to do the job? Would you allow someone to tell you to build your car but you cant use a spanner/wrench/ or hammer? No you would want the right tool for the right job.

quote:

All the more reason cops should be allowed to carry weapons (with proper training of course) instead of that stupid stick.

100% RIGHT...."STOP IN THE NAME OF THE QUEEN...and i have a stick" ....means nothing to a guy with a gun wanting to take what he wants. (July 7th? Would it have worked?)

Yes, guns are dangerous so you need training....cars kill more people per year than guns in any country. That is why yuou need to be trained and lisenced.

It amazes me that a country that produced Winston Churchhill also gave birth to Neville Chamberland.

Why don't you lay down with your heads in the sand, and fanny in the air, and proclaim "peace in our time" with all of your enemies, organized crime, and any miscreant that wants to bend you over for a quicky.

I am no BUSH lover...but you cannot ask a bully to be nice just because you don't want to grow a back bone. Crime is about oppertunity and the probabilty of sucess, damn the long term consequences, some would argue politics is cut from the same cloth.

If hoodlums, thugs, bullies, and terrorist find out you will not stand up you will spend your life bent over (or on your knees).

Homo homi lupus
Man is like a wolf to man...

I admire you Brits alot for alot of different reasons...but sometime some of you sicken me.

Yes this will be regaurded as harsh or flamebait by some but it was said by a friend.

[Edited on 19/11/05 by dl_peabody]

theconrodkid - 19/11/05 at 07:28 AM

IWantOne - 19/11/05 at 08:27 AM

thoughts are with all her family and friends.

...could we start a thread of Condolence..are use this one?

i am about ready to leave these shores but not sure if anywhere else would be any better.

steve_gus - 19/11/05 at 01:00 PM

I posted the info about rates of deaths of USA officers purely as it was what came up in google.

Enter police deaths in google, Im feeling lucky.....

The site actually refers to 1600 total police deaths of all types in 10 years.................

Im trying to illustrate that armed police may NOT be more safer. Google came up with USA results, and thats what I posted. Correcting for a 5:1 population ratio, the armed deaths come out 6-12 times higher than the UK's unarmed officers. (assuming 1-2 police deaths in UK a year which do not always involve guns (run over, killed in a car chase, etc)

a point you are missing is that whenever the UK police are asked, they state that they DO NOT want to be armed as a matter of course.

The last UK police gun death was almost 2 years ago, commited by David Bieber.

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=23802

atb

steve

[Edited on 19/11/05 by steve_gus]

Scotty - 19/11/05 at 01:06 PM

cita - your turn ...................

steve_gus - 19/11/05 at 01:12 PM

This isnt really a thread for a bitch fight over America is it?

Im taking no further part if thats the way it goes.

atb

steve

Benzine - 19/11/05 at 01:16 PM

I remember south africa being a harsh place for police deaths.

"South Africa has one of the highest rates of police officers killed in the world. For the years 2000 and 2001, an average of 170 police officers were murdered per year in South Africa"

theconrodkid - 19/11/05 at 02:21 PM

looks like they got 2 of them in london,hope they have plenty of stairs for them to fall down

Cita - 19/11/05 at 02:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Scotty
cita - your turn ...................

Not worth replying too

Gusto knows only two country's-GB and USA

It's like G(ood) B(ehaviour) and U S(cilly) A(ssh"l@s)

Scotty - 19/11/05 at 02:47 PM

sorry steve and cita !!!

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couldnt manage it 100 times
(as my wife keeps reminding me ...........)

[Edited on 19/11/05 by Scotty]

Cita - 19/11/05 at 02:50 PM

TRY..Try..try
You friggin did it!!!

Scotty - 19/11/05 at 02:57 PM

oooops !!!!!
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steve_gus - 19/11/05 at 02:59 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/4451508.stm

check the voting option

Im trying to engage in a debate about armed police - so in all seriousness Cita, perhaps you could give us some ideas of the figures for Belgium, and assuming you speak french, for France? Thats about equal in population numbers to the UK and I think both police forces are armed?

atb

steve

PS Cita - I, like a large proportion of the British public, tend to indentify itself and its culture much more so with the USA than with European countries. (I think that many Heads of State of EU countries would agree!). So I tend to look to america when looking at comparisons to the UK.

Google doesnt know where Ive been to or not, its just what it decided to tell me. I thought that the page 'im feeling lucky' gave me (a police charity site) was very informative. Have you read it?

[Edited on 19/11/05 by steve_gus]

Cita - 19/11/05 at 04:02 PM

Me no parlez Francais,me Flemish

I dont speak French,nor English for that matter so I would not have a clue what the French websites would tell, assuming that they are written in French.
Most police forces throughout the world are armed and I assume for a good reason.

I have not read the webpage Steve so cannot comment on it.

What I do know is that it would be utterly stupid to think that when police men dont carry guns,the criminals would stop using them too!

A fact is that if as a police men you dont carry a gun,it will be difficult to get charged for shooting someone and that could be the underlaying reason for not wanting to carry a gun.

A uniform and a stick are no longer enough to frighten criminals or would be criminals,that period is long gone!!!

Cheers Cita

steve_gus - 19/11/05 at 05:56 PM

You seem to type great English for someone that cant contribute to the debate through lack of communication skills

Yep, police not carrying guns wouldnt stop the criminals from carrying guns. However, our police DO carry guns . Its only a small proportion of officers that do though (10 - 20%). In the case of the recent shooting, it seems that two unarmed female officers were on the scene first. I think a decent question to ask is why would the police send two unarmed women to aprehend armed robbers. As our irate American posted, shouting 'i have a stick' might not cut it. If you send an armed officer, it would have been a better plan! Its not been mentioned in the media yet why armed response officers were not sent first on the scene to confront armed robbers.

We in the UK do have a relatively low (but any number is too high) police death rate. Its about one or two a year. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4451852.stm I dont think there has been any recent increase in police deaths. If the police carry guns, they have the chance to use them, and I feel that would result in increased innocent civilian deaths, or deaths that were not completly necessary.

When I have been to places where you see police clearly displaying guns on their belts, it actually makes me feel uneasy. I can quote the experience of a friend that visited a certain large north american country.

In the UK, if you get stopped by the police for a motoring offence, its common (and I would certainly do this) to get out of the car and stand by the vehicle in order to talk to the officer. Its no big deal. Do that in the country my friend went to, and the officer will get quite agitated, and in my friends case, threatened to draw his weapon. Thats pretty extreme for speeding!

Would every police officer have the right temprement to carry a weapon of death? Most times the public require the police for problems with neighbours, nuisance kids, car crime, burglaries, petty crime etc. I would prefer not to have an officer at my door with a .38 just cos im complaining that my neighbour is making too much noise.

Perhaps we have the right balance here, with 10 - 20% of officers able to provide armed response to ceetain types of law breaking. I think the issue is why did two unarmed 30 something police women get sent to confront three armed raiders?

From the BBC Website........

Home Office minister Hazel Blears rejected calls for the police to be routinely armed.

"It is important that the police have a very close relationship with the public and for them to routinely carry guns might put that relationship at risk," she said.

and....

Paul Tonks, of the West Yorkshire Police Federation, says that this will simply put officers in greater danger.

"If we were to routinely arm officers, then the cons of that could be more criminals prepared to use guns."

atb

steve

[Edited on 19/11/05 by steve_gus]

JoelP - 19/11/05 at 06:31 PM

they didnt know at the time that they were armed robbers, or indeed even robbers. It was a fracas that was reported, i believe.

some police do want to be armed though, and i would be suprised if there was 10-20% in the armed response units.

[Edited on 19/11/05 by JoelP]

Cita - 19/11/05 at 06:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by steve_gus
You seem to type great English for someone that cant contribute to the debate through lack of communication skills

atb

steve
[Edited on 19/11/05 by steve_gus]

Like I said before....not worth replying to

steve_gus - 19/11/05 at 06:35 PM

I have seen or heard somewhere that 10 - 20% of motorway patrols / police persuit cars carry weapons. Could be wrong tho - I dont suppose the police make that info readily available?

atb

steve

James - 19/11/05 at 07:38 PM

According to Channel 4 a few minutes ago, Police deaths have actually reduced since 1980.

In addition to that, every time the Police have been asked the question whether they want to routinely carry guns they say no!!. I know we have some serious law enforcement experts here but I suspect it would be fair to say that Police officers are more qualified than us to say whether they feel they should carry guns or not!

Furthermore- how can anyone think that more lives would be saved by *more* people (cops or otherwise) carrying guns! Would a criminal be *less* likely to carry a weapon if he knew that all Police he came across were armed- of course not!

As to the specific case here- the Police were alerted by a security alarm being pressed in a Travel Agents. Much like burglar alarms, I'm sure these go off accidentally all the time. Would you expect armed Police to every one of these? I used to work in a papershop- the security alarm button was at knee height by the till- can you imagine the number of times this got pressed accidentally!!! When 90% of these alarms will be false alarms can you really see the Police sending a full SAS style entry team to every one!
The Police in this case were shot before they got to the door of the Travel Agency- I'm sure no one at all had any idea what was going on- otherwise more experienced officers would have been sent- as opposed to someone with 18mths and another with 8 weeks experience.

It's obviously awful that these people have been shot but more guns on the streets can *only* mean more deaths be they Police, criminal or accidental. I assume you have heard of Harry Stanley!!!

Cheers,
James

steve_gus - 19/11/05 at 09:08 PM

Hi James.

Yep, I posted a couple times in the last two days references to Mr Stanley, the table leg man.

If alarms regularly go off in the way described in your shop, then the owner should be billed 1000 quid or so for each false one. In that way, police resources would be better used and the call could actually be taken as a real threat.

Police killed in UK since 1900

http://www.policememorial.org.uk/LestWeForget/centuryofsacrifice.htm

and there have been quite a few police deaths off duty this year - eight have died in biking accidents alone!

http://www.policememorial.org.uk/NationalRoll/2005/NPORH_2005.htm

[Edited on 19/11/05 by steve_gus]

omega 24 v6 - 19/11/05 at 10:44 PM

It just goes to prove that even after Hungerford and Dunblane that the people who owned handguns legally were right to say that banning firearms would not stop the killings at street level. In fact it seems to be becoming something of a culture.
What is the country coming to evertime you turn on the news it's violence and beatings or gangland killings
My heart sank this morning when I heard the news especially as they both have kids. What a waste of life especially as these are people who cared enough to do a tough job and make society a safer place for normal honest considerate people. My thoughts are with their famillies.

dl_peabody - 20/11/05 at 06:01 AM

My thoughts and sympathies go out to the police woman and the families and friends struggling with this terrible incident.

Any loss of life is a sad thing more so when that person is trying to serve and protect the community that they live in. There are fewer things more sad and more noble than that.

Rarely I give my opinions so blantantly or paint with such a WIDE brush. Please remember that my opinion is about as valueable as a two day old lotto ticket. If my opinion has any value to you, feel free to keep it, otherwise threat it according to it's merit.

I would like to offer condolences to those who suffered loss in this tragic incident.

Cita - 20/11/05 at 08:32 AM

Yes it's a most sad thing and a drama for those left behind.

Now the search will start for who's responsible for this and probably it will be the police force who will get the blame,not the scumbaggs who fired the gun.

I think the family's are in for a very long period of media exposure and that in itself is a punishment on top of the loss

Cita

steve_gus - 20/11/05 at 12:54 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4453848.stm

[Edited on 20/11/05 by steve_gus]

James - 21/11/05 at 10:02 AM

quote:
Originally posted by steve_gus
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4453848.stm
[Edited on 20/11/05 by steve_gus]

Oh for goodness sake!!!

I really, truly hope that this idea doesn't take off. Personally I'm very proud of the fact that in this country we're 'above' the need to execute people.
How can being dead actually be any punishment... you're dead for Chrissake!!!!!

If, like me, you don't believe in heaven/hell then when a evil person dies they're just gone and that's it- therefore where's the punishment if you kill them? If you execute them they don't get punished- it's the easy way out.

If you do believe people go to hell then it'll be for eternity... so why rush things now? What's the rest of their natural life (say 70 years) in prison compared to an eternity in hell.

Either way killing them doesn't gain you anything.

At the same time there's always the possibility of a miscarriage of justice. We've all heard of the Guildford Four or the Birmingham Six. These people were banged up for *years* on dodgy evidence.
Being banged up for something you didn't do must be pretty damn bad but actually killing an innocent man???
Personally I just don't think it's worth the risk.

If I recall correctly, the last person ever hanged in this country was a grave digger with learning difficulties. It's taken until Forty years after his death for someone to admit it was a mistake and then pardon him.

The idea of state execution sickens me- this is a civilised country not some third world dictatorship.

Cheers,
James

rusty nuts - 21/11/05 at 10:15 AM

How many times have we heard of people that have killed being released only to kill again ? Anyone caught with a gun should face a long sentence.

Peteff - 21/11/05 at 10:44 AM

It's not something I'm looking forward to. There are valid arguments for both sides on the subject and the kind of people who commit these crimes do not hold life in any way valuable, unless it's their own and then it is the thing they value above all others. It's the only thing you can't take from someone and keep for yourself. They obviously have no remorse or they would come forward to apologise for robbing a family of their mother and wife, and as such lose their right to be a part of normal society. Whether you lock them away until you deem them to have been deprived of enough of their liberty to compensate the family for their loss, or hang them to deprive them of their existence in retribution is not a decision to be taken lightly but trying to reintegrate someone with this mentality into normal society doesn't seem to be working.

flak monkey - 21/11/05 at 11:42 AM

quote:
Originally posted by rusty nuts
How many times have we heard of people that have killed being released only to kill again ? Anyone caught with a gun should face a long sentence.

IMO anyone who murders (1st degree), be it with a gun or otherwise, should face life in prison. Not 35yrs as the life sentence here stands, but actual life. Basically if they have done it once, the vast majority are released and do it again. Two options, life in prison, or execution. Simple as that as far as I am concerned. Life in prison being the better of the 2 options as they then serve a proper punishment.

David

JoelP - 21/11/05 at 01:06 PM

to me its less punishment and more protecting society.

I cant condone exectution due to the miscarriage of justice possibility. Limiting it to police murder at least rules out crimes of passion etc , or whatever pathetic excuse a murderer may come up with, but theres still the possibility of a false conviction.

Unfortunately life in prision is a damned expensive thing. However, if we reprioritised national spending, im sure it could be easily accomodated. Plus we need new sentancing guidelines for all crime, and an extra 100,000 prision places. Revised prision guidelines, revised parole board operations, no reward greater than politeness and respect for good behaviour (ie no playstations and sat tv), a suitable punishment for bad behaviour, and proper education for kids. Parental accountability for childrens crimes, and parental tuition. Oh, and some flying pigs

and rewrite the human rights act to put common sense above the letter of the law

[Edited on 21/11/05 by JoelP]

Cita - 21/11/05 at 06:15 PM

On the news overhere:a young couple was put in jail for beating their own baby to death!!!

When the coroner came into the apartment the young couple was watching TV and notted with their head to indicate where the room was with the dead baby!!
Broken ribs,fractured scull,broken arm....

These scumbags dont deserve a trial,even a bullet is to much money spend on that trash!!!

You so called "humanity" defenders can shout anything you want about death penalty but there are limits to everything...even tolerance.

theconrodkid - 21/11/05 at 07:06 PM

just heard that gary glitter faces the firing squad in veitnam for sex with a 12 yo girl
thatl get the liberals quivering.
the scumbags that murdered the wpc were from somalia,no doubt asylum seekers with tales of woe and persecution for being a crim of some sort.
another fact,30%of people in english jails are foregien

zxrlocost - 21/11/05 at 07:35 PM

the death penalty is a great detterant

you cant compare us to other countries where guns are legal and the countries three hundred times the size of us

theyll never do it anyway

gazza285 - 21/11/05 at 07:47 PM

Perhaps jail should be made more of a punishment instead of the away from home holiday that it has become. The criminals in jail now have the right to a cell of there own which include a private toilet and shower, TV access (most long termers buy there electrical gear on tick, as they have a small, but garanteed income, and nothing to spend it on), computer access including internet access, and all fully heated and double glazed. Furthermore they are supplied with three hot meals a day as well as sports facilities, libraries, and educational facilities.
If they are denied any of this then bleeding heart human rights lawyers paid for by the tax-payer will scream blue murder while collecting hefty legal aid payments.

How to save the prison service a fortune;
Turn off the heating and give the guards coats,
Remove TV and internet access,
Remove all bar one blanket from the beds,
Introduce physical labour.
Remind the criminals that prison is for punishment, not for a worry free existance.

theconrodkid - 21/11/05 at 07:50 PM

or send them to the russian gulags

steve_gus - 21/11/05 at 07:55 PM

I am not a supporter of the death penalty - but like everyone else, on the spur of the moment it somehow seems appropriate in cases like Ian Huntley.

Then, when I think about it again, I dont support the death penalty.

Living the rest of your life in prison is a worse punishment that having to go through the relatively short ritual of execution.

Plus, putting the right to take life into the hands of the state is a dangerous thing.

Bear in mind it will be a cold day in hell before the death penalty will ever come back to the UK. Its against the rules of the EU - we would have to leave Europe to have the death penalty.

That north american country with a higher police death rate has the death penalty, and it doenst seem to lessen the 12:1 ratio

atb

steve

[Edited on 21/11/05 by steve_gus]

flak monkey - 21/11/05 at 07:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by gazza285
Perhaps jail should be made more of a punishment instead of the away from home holiday that it has become. The criminals in jail now have the right to a cell of there own which include a private toilet and shower, TV access (most long termers buy there electrical gear on tick, as they have a small, but garanteed income, and nothing to spend it on), computer access including internet access, and all fully heated and double glazed. Furthermore they are supplied with three hot meals a day as well as sports facilities, libraries, and educational facilities.
If they are denied any of this then bleeding heart human rights lawyers paid for by the tax-payer will scream blue murder while collecting hefty legal aid payments.

How to save the prison service a fortune;
Turn off the heating and give the guards coats,
Remove TV and internet access,
Remove all bar one blanket from the beds,
Introduce physical labour.
Remind the criminals that prison is for punishment, not for a worry free existance.

Too bloody right!

David

steve_gus - 21/11/05 at 08:04 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/4455918.stm

Cita - 21/11/05 at 08:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by theconrodkid
or send them to the russian gulags

What do you mean by "send them"?

Nothing wrong with their feet as most of them can run very fast when the police are on in sight.

A quick march of a few thousand miles will cool off their temper to start with!

Cheers Cita

JoelP - 21/11/05 at 08:05 PM

thats amazing steve, id just copied that url off the beeb and was just deciding which thread to post it on! certainly casts a different light on the orwellian arguments

steve_gus - 21/11/05 at 08:08 PM

I dont like the idea of tracker cams, but at least in that case it did some good!

'your honor, please take into account that the defendants average overall speed to London was 70.98 mph'.

thats gonna make em throw the book at them.

atb

steve

JoelP - 21/11/05 at 08:11 PM

lol

Cita - 21/11/05 at 08:19 PM

quote:
Originally posted by steve_gus
Plus, putting the right to take life into the hands of the state is a dangerous thing.
atb
steve
[Edited on 21/11/05 by steve_gus]

Putting the power to take life into the hands of criminals can be considered as being stupid !

steve_gus - 21/11/05 at 08:24 PM

Isnt Marc Detroux still alive?

atb

steve

Cita - 21/11/05 at 08:28 PM

quote:
Originally posted by steve_gus
Isnt Marc Detroux still alive?

atb

steve

Sadly enough,thanks to guys like you,he still is

steve_gus - 21/11/05 at 08:35 PM

Thats amazing cita,

I dont think I have ever been part of the Belgian legislature, or a belgian judge or lawyer. Or even a belgian citizen.

berk

atb

steve

[Edited on 21/11/05 by steve_gus]

Cita - 21/11/05 at 08:40 PM

Do you have problems with reading English Steve?

I said guys LIKE you ,not YOU

P.S. What is a berk?

steve_gus - 21/11/05 at 08:42 PM

no, I dont think guys LIKE me - im hetrosexual

atb

steve

[Edited on 21/11/05 by steve_gus]

JoelP - 21/11/05 at 08:46 PM

cita, with a government and courts as incompentent as ours are, steve is actually right that capital punishment is a bad idea.

i do wish you two could pack in the bickering though!

Cita - 21/11/05 at 08:51 PM

Berk....hmmmm nice insult.

JoelP - 21/11/05 at 08:51 PM

*blink and its gone*

steve_gus - 21/11/05 at 08:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
cita, with a government and courts as incompentent as ours are, steve is actually right that capital punishment is a bad idea.

i do wish you two could pack in the bickering though!

actually, so do I.

I quite like Cita.

Note I didnt put it in Caps.

atb

steve

Cita - 21/11/05 at 08:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by JoelP

i do wish you two could pack in the bickering though!

Why? it's fun

steve_gus - 21/11/05 at 08:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Cita
Berk....hmmmm nice insult.

I depends Cita on what Dictionary you looked it up in.

In my part of the world, it is a very mild joking type of insult, similar in terminology to 'wally'.

Its about as mild as you can get.

atb

steve

steve_gus - 21/11/05 at 08:54 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Cita

quote:
Originally posted by JoelP

i do wish you two could pack in the bickering though!

Why? it's fun

In a strange kinda way it is. But I think its a bit disrespectful of the thread subject.....

atb

steve

ps

please dont insult me in flemish, I couldnt find a good online dictionary when I looked

[Edited on 21/11/05 by steve_gus]

Cita - 21/11/05 at 08:54 PM

I used the link you posted

Cita - 21/11/05 at 08:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by steve_gus

quote:
Originally posted by Cita

quote:
Originally posted by JoelP

i do wish you two could pack in the bickering though!

Why? it's fun

ps

please dont insult me in flemish, I couldnt find a good online dictionary when I looked

[Edited on 21/11/05 by steve_gus]

How do you know what a good or bad dictionary is when you dont speak the language,

steve_gus - 21/11/05 at 08:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Cita
I used the link you posted

ahhhh...

changed my mind about that and wanted to let you look for yourself

It was a stronger meaning than I intended

Specifically - I couldnt find ANY flemish dictionary - good or bad

atb

steve

[Edited on 21/11/05 by steve_gus]

Cita - 21/11/05 at 09:03 PM

a Dutch dictionary will do the thrick!!

dl_peabody - 22/11/05 at 06:52 AM

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steve_gus - 22/11/05 at 10:47 PM

I think I posted that earlier in the thread

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steve