coyoteboy
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| posted on 13/4/11 at 06:35 PM |
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Weights
Can you help me put some approximate figures, or correct my approximate figures for the weight of the following components?
Bike engine~ 90kg with headers and carbs and associated gubbins
Diff ~ 25kg
Prop shaft ~ 5-10kg?
Electric Reverse kit ~ 3-5kg?
Totalling, all in, about 125kg +??
[Edited on 13/4/11 by coyoteboy]
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daniel mason
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| posted on 13/4/11 at 06:49 PM |
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is that all the electric reverse weighs?
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chrisxr2
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| posted on 13/4/11 at 06:51 PM |
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35kg
Wasnt ther a guy on here with a bike engined kit said he took his off after sva and it was 35 kilo??
Life moves pretty fast, if you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 13/4/11 at 07:02 PM |
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Electric reverse, 35kg?! what are people putting on there?! But OK, fair enough, I'm gathering data, not complaining!
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 13/4/11 at 07:05 PM |
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yes it was the dude with the Spire that took it off after IVA.
The starter alone has got to be 5-6Kg?
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 13/4/11 at 07:16 PM |
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Reckon my starter on the tin top must weigh about 2-3kg?
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scootz
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| posted on 13/4/11 at 07:37 PM |
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A lot depends on the type of bike engine too...
It's Evolution Baby!
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 13/4/11 at 07:48 PM |
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Yup, that's why I'm looking for data to fill in my ranges I guess, I'm trying to identify exactly how much extra weight I'd be
looking at carrying if I went CEC, since there's a vast difference between all possible packages but car engine weights are slightly easier to
come by. If the reverse is ~35kg you're heading towards not THAT much in it with a heavy bike engine.
[Edited on 13/4/11 by coyoteboy]
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tilly819
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| posted on 13/4/11 at 08:28 PM |
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the 35 kg reverse was including an extra battery IIRC
tilly
F20C Haynes roadster 440 BHP/Tonne www.youtube.com/handmadeextreme
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Benzo
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| posted on 13/4/11 at 08:42 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
Yup, that's why I'm looking for data to fill in my ranges I guess, I'm trying to identify exactly how much extra weight I'd be
looking at carrying if I went CEC, since there's a vast difference between all possible packages but car engine weights are slightly easier to
come by. If the reverse is ~35kg you're heading towards not THAT much in it with a heavy bike engine.
[Edited on 13/4/11 by coyoteboy]
there is no way it would be 35kg for a starter motor and sproket... if you needed an extra battery thats a load of wee too..
a starter is a lighter option than a reverse box, and i removed mine (westfield reverse system) and it weighs no more than 10kg.
[Edited on 13/4/11 by Benzo]
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SausageArm
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| posted on 13/4/11 at 08:56 PM |
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It was a long time agop but if I remeber correctly, I weighed a Freelander diff and it came in at 16kg and the Sierra diff was 20kg.
A ZX10R engine, minus the headers, is under 70kg.
[Edited on 13/4/11 by SausageArm]
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40inches
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| posted on 13/4/11 at 09:23 PM |
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As far as I know, a bike engine weighs about the same as a CEC gearbox, so deduct the car engine weight and add the reverse gear and engine cradle
weight, that shouldn't be far off.
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locobladeracer
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| posted on 13/4/11 at 09:51 PM |
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the all up weight of my race car with a blade engine, 15L of fuel, full cage and me sat in it comes in at 570Kgs. I am currently working on getting
that down a little more as well.
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Benzo
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| posted on 13/4/11 at 09:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by locobladeracer
the all up weight of my race car with a blade engine, 15L of fuel, full cage and me sat in it comes in at 570Kgs. I am currently working on getting
that down a little more as well.
Mine is pretty much the same, 919 blade, sierra diff, (english rear is much lighter) no reverse, 5L of fuel, 562kg, i could get it down a fair bit
more, but the minimum weight limit for our class is 560 so im pretty much on the button as long as i finish the race with around 5L on board!
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Benzo
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| posted on 13/4/11 at 09:57 PM |
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Just to add, that is ofcourse with driver, i am 80kg..
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 13/4/11 at 10:52 PM |
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quote:
As far as I know, a bike engine weighs about the same as a CEC gearbox
Nahh, while I'm complicating things by thinking FWD units here, most of the manual boxes I've seen are in the 40-50kg region, some real
heavy duty boxes come in around 70kg (I can literally only just lift my E151 transmission, but it is known good to stupendous torque) (which seems to
be a very light bike engine by all accounts?). Looking at some of the FWD engine/transmission setups found in cars I'd be looking around 140kg
for the engine (complete) and 40ish for transmission, so 180 all in. First thoughts put a BEC arrangement ~75kg lighter but it's hard to gather
exact details (without buying them all and weighing them lol).
Cheers for all the info so far!
[Edited on 13/4/11 by coyoteboy]
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Benzo
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| posted on 13/4/11 at 10:58 PM |
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Carbed 919 Blade engine/ box 55kg's
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 14/4/11 at 01:11 AM |
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Now that IS light!
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Benzo
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| posted on 14/4/11 at 08:54 AM |
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Ive never weighed one but that's what a courier told me it was, unlikely they would under weigh it as it was priced accordingly!
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locobladeracer
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| posted on 14/4/11 at 09:49 AM |
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have a chat with Andy Bates or Yorkshire engines as they will both know how heavey the engines are. One thing I have found is that the newer the
engine the lighter they get, compaired to the previous model.
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coozer
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| posted on 14/4/11 at 09:51 AM |
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Well I'm chuffed with mine then, good old zetec and type 9, the car was 525kg at SVA, since then ali bellhousing and 4 pot calipers has shaved
12kg off.
Then I go and spoil it by getting in
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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40inches
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| posted on 14/4/11 at 09:56 AM |
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Fireblade=67Kg
Zetec with type 9=180Kg
Source Westfield World Tech pages
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andyfiggy2002
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| posted on 14/4/11 at 10:02 AM |
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westfield RGB 6kg
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RickRick
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| posted on 14/4/11 at 10:14 AM |
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5vy R1 with box 62kg apparently
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hughpinder
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| posted on 14/4/11 at 10:56 AM |
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Heres the post on the electric reverse - it was 24kg saved of which 13 was the battery - So 11kg as long as you only use it with the engine running
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=153182
Diffs 16-20kg
Drive shaft about right
Engine weights usually 75- 85 kg inc all the ancillaries.
So all up 80+10+18+11 (say)=120kg.
Zetec and type 9 is 180 kg+driveshaft+diff= 208kg all in
Duratec is 18kg lighter than a zetec so 190kg all in
A sylva riot with 1.6 ford engine = 470kg, with an R1 = 400kg acording to their web site.
I also saw some figures for MNRs one a zetec powered and one a busa and there was about 80kg weight difference there.
Regards
Hugh
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