SimH
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| posted on 13/8/11 at 03:05 PM |
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919 Blade Fuel Pump
My fuel pump is on the way out when I was doing a trackday last weekend. It was struggling to keep the fuel supplied and drawing air in when I was
pushing!
Luckily there were loads of bikes there as an endurance race was scheduled for the following day. The bike mechanics recommended a facet red top for
the internal workings being much better that my traditional diaphram pump (which they reckoned were wearing out). A bike nut I know has also
recommended the red top.
However, researching here and looking at the facet site it appears this isn't the way to go as I will be overfuelling the carbs and the facet
red top is not suitable for bike engines.
I have a MNR Vortx, Fireblade 919 carb engine (130bhp).
1. Is the red top unsuitable?
2. Will the FEP04SV from Facet be suitable? http://www.fuelsystem.co.uk/web-facet.pdf
3. If so, does it have a similar internals to the red top?
Thanks for you help.
Cheers,
Sim
MNR Vortx RT
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mad-butcher
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| posted on 13/8/11 at 04:32 PM |
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Basically any fuel pump from a carbed bike from 600cc upward will do the job,vast majority are made by mitsubishi and are of the interuptor type, as
in when the floats shut off the supply to the float bowls the back pressure created shuts the pump down, I'm almost certain the electric fuel
pump from mg's can be used, again these were interuptor type.
tony
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andyfiggy2002
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| posted on 13/8/11 at 08:35 PM |
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i do believe the one from the bike does a better job!!
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mark chandler
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| posted on 13/8/11 at 10:14 PM |
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Bike carb's are small, so have small floats which = not a great deal of pressure exerted on the float valve.
SU type pumps, red tops, silver tops etc will push fuel at the limit of the bike carb's ability to control the pressure, use them on a big old
SU or weber carb and they will be fine.
IMHO you would be better off using a pump from a big bike, do not worry if its a yam, honda kwak etc, if its a 1000cc bike the pump will flow enough
for a 150bhp engine.
You can always run a couple in parallel if you want to play it safe as the weaker one will just shut down earlier.
Saying all that the FEP04SV looks good, I ran a 60104 (the one above) on my 893 blade engine when on carbs, infact its still running today filling my
swirl pot !
Regards Mark
[Edited on 13/8/11 by mark chandler]
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Benzo
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| posted on 15/8/11 at 10:34 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mad-butcher
Basically any fuel pump from a carbed bike from 600cc upward will do the job,vast majority are made by mitsubishi and are of the interuptor type, as
in when the floats shut off the supply to the float bowls the back pressure created shuts the pump down, I'm almost certain the electric fuel
pump from mg's can be used, again these were interuptor type.
tony
Self regulating bike pump like the Mitsubishi one mentioned above.. I have one off a zx9r on my car £33 on eBay 
This is what Andy bates told me to do, I removed the facet red top and press regulator that was fitted on my car when I got it.
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andyfiggy2002
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| posted on 16/8/11 at 08:13 AM |
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yep andy bates told me to use the bikes original self regulating pump
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 16/8/11 at 09:13 AM |
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My blade one packed in (after about 5 mins running...dont you love 2nd hand parts!)
I fitted a r1 carbed pump - its worked faultlessly since.
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SimH
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| posted on 27/8/11 at 01:48 PM |
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60104 facet pump fitted and no issues on the road - the track will reveal if there is an issue.
One little thing I noticed is there is a bit of noise from the pump - is this normal?
It is mounted a bit higher than I'd like but felt a reasonable compromise for secure and safe location.
Any thoughts/experiences welcome.
Cheers,
Sim
MNR Vortx RT
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Benzo
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| posted on 27/8/11 at 02:21 PM |
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Mave you a pressure reg. On with it?
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SimH
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| posted on 27/8/11 at 02:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Benzo
Mave you a pressure reg. On with it?
No
MNR Vortx RT
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mark chandler
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| posted on 27/8/11 at 04:51 PM |
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Bit of noise is correct, nothing to worry about as it will gently tick on idle.
It will clack badly when out of fuel, pulling air or the fuel supply is limited, like a car with a knackered cam so check the supply is clear.
So look for constricted feed pipes and air leaks if very noisy.
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SimH
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 07:06 PM |
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That's good to hear. I'll keep an ear out and thanks for your input.
Cheers,
Sim
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Benzo
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| posted on 29/8/11 at 12:10 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by SimH
quote:
Originally posted by Benzo
Mave you a pressure reg. On with it?
No
I would have thought with a carbed engine you would have wanted to keep the Fuel pressure constant.
its why i suggested the self regulating Bike pump.
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