Omni
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 07:34 PM |
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BEC Mini Project Dilema
Hi All,
On Friday I had a very good chat with an SVA Tech Guy about my build and my plans and he has told me basically that there is no way on earth with my
current plans that I will get any plate other than a "Q".
So my only other option would be to make my complete own chassis a bit like the MK Mini one and then use all new stuff to get a new plate. Then I can
stick a private plate on it to make it look old again.
I am a bit gutted as I think a "Q" plate Mini would look very wrong indeed.
So looks like I now need to work on an entire frame. This sould be fun!!! lol
What would you do in my situation?
O
[Edited on 25/1/09 by Omni]
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prawnabie
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 07:40 PM |
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Give up?
Nah only kidding! Id build frame inside a mini, cut the mini into bits and then cover the frame it carbon fibre panels!!!
Either that or buy a new mini shell for about 3k.
Either way costs are the same!
Shaun
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 07:40 PM |
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Weel the cheapest option and the route i would take would be to get a Q plate but if you want to do any shows, get a show plate in an old style.
Another option, although not very road legal, would be to get the old style (pre 73 i think) black and silver plates to make it look old.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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blakep82
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 07:41 PM |
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i'd go for the Q plate myself. sure you can't have a private plate on it, but for some reason i like a Q. especially on a car that looks
like a normal production car. has a bit of mystery about it
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Stuart_B
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 07:46 PM |
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that is not good news is that just because you are not using enough ornigal parts to keep the old number plate?
what i am doing i am hoping to keep the same number plate and just change the logbook and get it mot'ed
lets us know what you decide.
stuart
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jacko
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 07:48 PM |
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Can't you keep the original no plate ?
do you have to have it sva / iva'd
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Omni
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 07:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Stuart_B
that is not good news is that just because you are not using enough ornigal parts to keep the old number plate?
what i am doing i am hoping to keep the same number plate and just change the logbook and get it mot'ed
lets us know what you decide.
stuart
Basically as soon as you make a cut into the Mini Body Shell / Chassis you will loss the 5 points for the "UNMODIFIED CHASSIS". Plus you
must use BOTH subframes to get the 2 points for that, etc.... there is no way to get enough points you see 
If you do the changes and don't SVA you run the high risk of the Police siezing your vehicle, also/or in the event of a cash the insurance
won't pay out, etc...... Also if it gets spotted at MOT, etc..... they could tell the DVLA.
DOH!
O
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blakep82
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 07:56 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jacko
Can't you keep the original no plate ?
do you have to have it sva / iva'd
true enough^
how much do you have to do to the chassis before it has to be SIVA'd? who decides when it needs testing? surely a BEC mini could be taken as
just an engine change? cuttin out the boot floor isn't a major chassis mod is it? you're not cutting the sills, not shortening or
lengthening the chassis, so.... 
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Omni
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 08:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
quote:
Originally posted by jacko
Can't you keep the original no plate ?
do you have to have it sva / iva'd
true enough^
how much do you have to do to the chassis before it has to be SIVA'd? who decides when it needs testing? surely a BEC mini could be taken as
just an engine change? cuttin out the boot floor isn't a major chassis mod is it? you're not cutting the sills, not shortening or
lengthening the chassis, so....
It is DLVA who decide during the inspection if it is modified "Radically altered" or not. Cutting into the floor and or boot is classed as
a Chassis modification and classes as radically altered. Unless you can convince Mr DVLA otherwise. That would be the MASSIVE gamble, but if they say
it is not then cool.
When you do the changes i.e. engine, etc.. you have to tell the DVLA and they may say you need an inspection.
O
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blakep82
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 08:05 PM |
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ah i see. just after watching 'an MG is born' today, and saw the amount of work in replacing panels and sills and boot floor and chassis
rails, just got me wondering why it wouldn't be SVAd and Q plated
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Omni
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 08:09 PM |
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I should clarify that if I was replacing the floor or keeping it ORIGINAL that would be OK. But as I plan to cut the boot floor out and put a tunnel
down the middle I will not really be able to argue that it is original/unmodified/as designed.
O
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mr henderson
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 08:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
ah i see. just after watching 'an MG is born' today, and saw the amount of work in replacing panels and sills and boot floor and chassis
rails, just got me wondering why it wouldn't be SVAd and Q plated
'Cos they are putting it back the way it was, not 'modifying' it.
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blakep82
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 08:11 PM |
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i get it now. its just something i've never thought of doing, so never gave it any thought til now
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Stuart_B
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 08:19 PM |
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ah, right. what about if you deseamed a mini?
stuart
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Omni
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 08:27 PM |
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No probs. Not altering the chassis
O
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StevieB
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 08:50 PM |
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It's just a reg plate - why worry about it, you won;t see it from the drivers seat and it won;t go and slowwr for having it.
Kee it simple and cheap and cinvince yourself to live with the Q Plate
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COREdevelopments
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 08:55 PM |
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i see your point as i have been reading this months PPC mag. it has a detailed/useless article with the mysterious DVLA. basically PPC were asking
valid questions followed by pathetic, varied answers about whether or not an sva is needed.
Also what about all those Zcars minis driving about? im sure if they needed an sva that Zcars would not be a big concern as they are now. And im sure
i heard that Mr Allinson (zcars chief) seems to think an sva is not needed?
Rob
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Omni
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 08:59 PM |
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Zcars themselves do say that it should be SVA'ed.
O
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clanger
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 09:44 PM |
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This is such a grey area concerning BEC Mini's. Some Z-cars are SVA'd some are not.
Personally I'll be SVA'n / IVA'n mine if I ever finish it and will take whatever plate I get. I'm not too bothered about a
"Q". Its more for insurance/plod/resale issues I'll be going that route anyhow.
Come to think of it why do you lose points for rear subframe removal ?
What about a beam axle conversion, does that count ?
As I said this is such a grey area, I'm going to wait till the time comes and deal with it then.
cheers
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Omni
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 09:55 PM |
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DVLA regs state you MUST have both sub frames. One sub frame equals 0 points
I think I will just have to take the Q then. It will be the far least costly option. Just gotta motor on now for SVA  I do not want to do IVA. The
SVA Tech Guy was not happy about the IVA at all. But that is another thing you can thank Tony Blair for as it is forced by Europe. They are no where
near ready but it is statue law and they MUST comply.
O
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clanger
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 10:01 PM |
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By the time I finish the rust on mine all cars will be electric or flying versions
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Omni
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 10:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by clanger
By the time I finish the rust on mine all cars will be electric or flying versions
LMFAO!!!
O
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stevebubs
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 10:47 PM |
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Could you not declare it "amateur built from a kit" using all new parts and get a new plate?
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Omni
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 10:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stevebubs
Could you not declare it "amateur built from a kit" using all new parts and get a new plate?
That was my hope but dont think I will get away with it using the shell/chassis. they will want a new shell/chassis receipt.
O
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Hellfire
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 11:04 PM |
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Aren't you allowed one reconditioned part to 'as new' standard? If so, could your chassis be the reconditioned part? OK, so
you'd have to buy a new engine and provide a receipt but if it's that important.....................
Phil
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