dreverl
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| posted on 6/11/09 at 09:59 PM |
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Hayabusa engined car
Hi Everybody,
I have just joined up after having looked through the book many times and decided its time, time to start the build.
Im looking at doing one with a Haybusa engine and was wondering if anyone was around that has a thread or blog of a busa build? Do you buy the Sierra
and use the diff and other 'car' stuff and then use the electrics off the bike? How does it work?
I live in Darlington, are there any clubs/cars near by? I cant seem to find any?
Thanks for your help
Andrew
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matt_gsxr
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| posted on 6/11/09 at 10:02 PM |
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read the book again
;-)
Matt
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Steve Hignett
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| posted on 6/11/09 at 10:05 PM |
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Hi,
Welcome to the Forum.
Do not restrict yourself to only looking at build diaries that you feel are relevant to yourself. I did the same at the start and didn't end up
learning anything!
Get reading as many build diaries and look at as many build photos as possble and you will end up with an overall impression of how a Group of people
tackled certain aspects of their build and you will see a variety of prblems solved in a variety of ways!
As for a quick answer for you right now.
Why do you want a Busa one?
Do you have a monetary budget in mind?
Will that budget have to include tools and garage rental etc?
You can buy a sierra and get the components yourself or you can buy donor packs or you can buy the components individual from ebay etc.
The electrics off the bike are fine, but obv. need modification to fit into a car.
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OX
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| posted on 6/11/09 at 11:07 PM |
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what he ^ said .
i spent lots of time looking in peoples photo archieve ,doesnt matter what engines they have at the start of the process just looking at the way every
one does there thing helps a lot
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A1
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| posted on 7/11/09 at 06:42 AM |
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try to get a look at one so you can see how things are in the flesh too...although bear in mind that some people do things kinda strangely
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T66
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| posted on 7/11/09 at 07:50 AM |
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There is a seven club in the North East -
NE7ERS I think, did join briefly but I found there forum (nabble) a pain in the arse.
Set up a few new favourites folders on your PC and just follow what folk are posting about. This website has answers for most things if you search for
them .
Go and visit some of the kit builders, MNR are in N/Yorks.
Have a look in your library for reading material.
It wont take you long to get a feel of what you want and roughly how much you need.
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adithorp
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| posted on 7/11/09 at 09:02 AM |
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Welcome to the mad house.
As Steve say's look at as many pictures as you can. Get a look at actual cars as well if there's any opertunity and talk to the owners.
Watch the "events"section for local meet-ups and even if it's just a meet to go for a blat turn up and have a nosey before they
leave.
Why a busa? Lots of other choices all with thier pro's and con's. Check them all out and then make a decision.
adrian
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 7/11/09 at 09:44 AM |
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I can think of 180 reasons why he would want a Busa.
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adithorp
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| posted on 7/11/09 at 10:38 AM |
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So can I, but I can also think of some £+kg reasons why he might consider something else.
adrian
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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austin man
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| posted on 7/11/09 at 11:07 AM |
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I think you really need to ask why you want the BUSA engine, your are potentially going to start a new build. Ask yourself what is it you actually
want from the car
Trackday
driveability
street cred etc
If its driveability a car engine is the option has more pros than a bike
If its brute force than a Bike engine, however a lot of the car engines are not that far behind and are starting to blow the BEC out of the water in
straight line performance ie the S2000 MK in Brawn Colours
Finally nearly all sevens with a decent enfin, zetec , duratec, redtop pinto etc will surprise the scooby boys on the street and track.
Life is like a bowl of fruit, funny how all the weird looking ones are left alone
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skippad
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| posted on 7/11/09 at 02:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by dreverl
Hi Everybody,
I have just joined up after having looked through the book many times and decided its time, time to start the build.
Im looking at doing one with a Haybusa engine and was wondering if anyone was around that has a thread or blog of a busa build? Do you buy the Sierra
and use the diff and other 'car' stuff and then use the electrics off the bike? How does it work?
I live in Darlington, are there any clubs/cars near by? I cant seem to find any?
Thanks for your help
Andrew
I've got an MK with zzr1400 which you can have look at.
Saturn Sports Cars have their business here making Haynes Roadster chassis and bodywork amongst other kit car related bits.
Cleveland Kit Car Club have meetings at Stainton every 2nd Monday of the month.
Theres a lot of 7's knocking about Teesside, like the other lads said its best to try car and bike engined cars first before making a decision
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dreverl
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| posted on 7/11/09 at 03:46 PM |
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Thanks for all of your replies. I will continue to try and find pics etc of bike and car powered cars to see how others have done it.
Most of the statements have been why a ‘busa? How much money? What type of vehicle do I want?
Well... A bit of background might answer some of these. When I was doing my Engineering degree I worked as a race engineer and ended up in Italy on
Formula Renault and F3000 cars for a while. Then I got a 'real' job designing cars (chassis and suspension for the new Ford Focus
currently) so I thought that by doing one of these cars I could combine everything I’ve done.
So being a designer and race engineer I had to have a play…I’ve changed the design of the frame a bit and changed the geometry (just got to start the
build now…) and I reckon the ‘busa engine will be the engine to do the job. Ultimately I’d really like to put a turbo in it but don’t think I can
stretch to that yet.
The end result I’d like to be a race car first but still be able to drive on the road occasionally. The noise, high revs etc aren’t too much of a
problem as I want it for performance.
Apparently there is a ‘westfield megabusa’ 15 miles away so I think I’ll have a look at that if I can.
Again thanks again for all your replies. Now I’ve just got to turn my design into metal!
Cheers
Any other cars around Darlington Id be more than interested in having a look.
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 7/11/09 at 03:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
So can I, but I can also think of some £+kg reasons why he might consider something else.
adrian
Maybe but with careful shopping this stands me £1600 fitted and running.
 
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richard thomas
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| posted on 7/11/09 at 04:52 PM |
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To my mind it's no different fitting a Busa than any other bike engine. Just read as many build diaries as possible, and ask plenty of questions
no matter how numb you may think they are.....I did!
[Edited on 7/11/09 by richard thomas]
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:{THC}:YosamiteSam
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| posted on 7/11/09 at 08:22 PM |
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if you wanna come look at my car just drop me a line and pop over one day - no probs
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Chet
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| posted on 8/11/09 at 01:03 AM |
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FYI -
The following info was learned through experience and might be helpful -
We have had very good results using the Hayabusa engine in the US Furys and the new RCR Nemesis.
The Hayabusa is a very powerful, durable engine and has been in production since 1999 so parts and knowledge are generally available.
Some key points to get you started -
The 99 - 07 engines (Gen 1 or generation 1) are basically identical except for several bolt on changes.
1. There were numerous changes in the 02 model including ECU, rotor and wiring. (these can be retrofitted to older models.)
2. The starter system was revised in 03 to prevent the starter "kick back" scenario that broke starters and cases. The starter system
changes included a new starter with longer shaft and green label (earlier model had shorter shaft and blue label) , and a different style starter
clutch. These can be retrofitted to earlier models and are a definite requirement. If you have the older (pre 03) style starter and spin the car the
starter will be destroyed unless you can quickly stab the clutch. (Please don't bother asking how I learned this.)
3. Cutting the stock oil pan down for clearance will cause oil starvation problems. The stock pan has a V shape on top (to allow for the bike headers
to pass alongside) with a |_| shaped sump. If you cut the sump area you are left with a V shaped oil pan that allows the oil to move away from the
pickup. Although some people have had good success using dry sump systems we prefer a simpler, lighter, less expensive solution. The Koenig Billet oil
pan is 2 inches shorter than the the stock pan but holds more oil because it has a full rectangular shape |__| that helps retain the oil. It also
comes with a swivel oil pickup.
4. The Hayabusa has more torque and a lower redline than most other 4 cyl bikes so gearing in a BEC is different than say a Honda. We use the
Freelander IRS diff (Westfield also used it in the MegaBusa) because the 3.2 gearing is ideal with 205 60 13 tires. OD 5th and 6th gears are available
for higher top end if really necessary.
5. The transmission / clutch on the Hayabusa is fairly bulletproof. We have seen some issues with bent shift forks causing some 2nd gear issues but
this is easily resolved by undercutting the gears to allow for better engagement.
6. The engine was modified extensively in 08 and is now known as the Gen II model. Changes include revised transmission, larger stroke, new heads,
titanium valves and 194 stock HP. The release of the new style engine greatly reduced the price of the existing Gen 1 engines.
Hope this helped -
Chet
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dreverl
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| posted on 9/11/09 at 09:46 PM |
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Hi Chet,
Thanks for that info, it all sounds useful. Good to know the details.
Cheers
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