kastrato
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 01:17 PM |
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New engine on the horizon....
I ve got an MK Indy blade which I love.
My little CBR 894cc RR is capable of moving the light MK preety fast.
I was thinking to do some modifications to it so I start buying TTS filter and re jet kits, sump buffle, etc... but one of my mates crashed his
motorbike with 180 km/h. Thanks God he is alright with only one finger broken. Althoug hhe had a lucky escape he fed up with his bike which sort off
survived (engine is alright).
He is giving me his engine then as a present in order his bike to live through my kit car.
The engine is a MV Agusta 900
I know it will the first kit car powered by this engine (mostly because of costs)
I want to ask what you think about the engine transplant to my originally blade kit car?
145bhp is good enough for a trackday car, I believe this is the best present ever!
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Echidna
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 posted on 13/11/07 at 01:32 PM |
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In my opinion, this is the best possible powerplant for a Locost or Lotus 7 in general.
You are extremely lucky!!!
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kastrato
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 01:42 PM |
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Thanks I feel lucky to be honest..
The only problem is that it is expensive and rare engine.
Where for egample I will find a manifold for that? (in Greece?)
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andrew.carwithen
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 02:12 PM |
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Interesting...
I know nothing about this engine.
What layout is it? V-twin, V-four, in-line four etc?
How old is it? do you have any pics?
As regard a manifold, cradle etc. you'll have to get a bespoke one made - unless your existing'blade one can be modified to suit.
Probably of greater concern is whether it'll need to be dry-sumped or merely a baffle plate added.
Still, it'll be great to be a pioneer!
Good luck
Andy.
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kastrato
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 02:22 PM |
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I dont have any pics of the actuall engine but to get an idea this is the one
http://s2.bikewalls.com/pictures/MV_Agusta_Brutale_910_R_2006_05_1024x768.jpg
it is a in line 4 stroke engine 900 cc with 145 bhp and a lot of torgue from low revs
I am running slicks so a sump buffle will be necessary. Manifold etc fabricated from scratch this will cost me...
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Hammerhead
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 03:13 PM |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Agusta_F4_series
any help?
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kastrato
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 04:06 PM |
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actuall is this one the Brutale
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Agusta_Brutale_series
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 06:24 PM |
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Nobody has run the engines in a kit car before which means you'll be a pioneer. It may work wonderfully but equally it may simply not work in a
kit car and go pop the first time you show it a corner (even with a baffle plate), especially with slicks. Also there's the unknown of things
like clutch and gearbox strength which you'll only find out when things break. In reality you need to be prepared for the fact that you may need
to find more engines if you're serious about doing it, the last thing you want to do is do the conversion, it blows up and you then can't
source / afford a replacement engine.
If it was a full monty 175bhp engine then it may be worth the hassle / risk, but to spend al that money, do all that work and run the risk that it may
not work, all for a 10bhp gain is not worth it in my opinion. Stick with the blade!
Chris
[Edited on 13/11/07 by ChrisGamlin]
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kastrato
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 09:32 PM |
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interesting point of view chris but agusta is ferrari of motorbikes IMPO and I would love to see my kit car carry such engine.
Yes maybe will never work but I think I will do my best to make it work. Propably I will dry sump it to avoid problems.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 09:40 PM |
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Yep fair enough if you have reasons you want it that aren't related to an increase in performance, Im just saying because in your initial post
you seemed to be considering it as an alternative to tuning the blade engine to get more power. 
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kastrato
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 09:46 PM |
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Actually I still believe that it would be faster than my 894 blade. It is not be as fast as a busa but 145 bhp from a new engine (2006) it is
significally faster than the remains of the oem 128bhp of my 12 years old blade.
I dont think that this conversion will cost that much money because in the end the day I am saving the money of the basic expense which consist of
the engine.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 10:49 PM |
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Yep it will be a bit quicker, but not by much. I upgraded mine from a blade to an R1 with nearly 160bhp at the crank, and although the car is now
certainly quicker, its not day and night different. I can now pull a couple of car lengths on a friends blade car up to ~100mph and it certainly keeps
going a bit harder at high speed, but the main reason I did it was for reliability and driveablility (more robust clutch etc) rather than the
performance increase.
The advantage you have with costs is that you can obviously sell your existing engine package to offset it, but from experience it's still quite
easy to underestimate the cost of everything else. A custom made manifold on its own can easily cost £500+, and if you're dry sumping thats
another £1000 or more, especially as that will most likely need to be custom made as I doubt there's an off-the-shelf package?
Anyway, as you've said you have other good reasons to put it in anyway, so it will be interesting to see how it turns out. Good luck with it
[Edited on 13/11/07 by ChrisGamlin]
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 14/11/07 at 09:11 AM |
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george I wouldnt bother unless it had over the 170 brake mark I doubt your gonna notice any difference
plus your gonna have to wire it up yourself or pay someone else to ?
as chris says a Manifold ?
its gonna add up before you know it
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 14/11/07 at 10:33 AM |
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if its a technical excercise in getting your car to run one of the finest motorcycle marques engine then I say do it.
But if you think it will be a cheap/hyper performance increase then I think you might be in for a tough time.
All the best though and keep us posted on your progress. 
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Peteff
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| posted on 14/11/07 at 10:59 AM |
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It's Italian, it will all end in tears  For what it's going to cost you and down time during the swap I would say it's not a good
idea just because the engine is free. Prop adaptor, exhaust and engine cradle will all add up.
[Edited on 14/11/07 by Peteff]
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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kastrato
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| posted on 14/11/07 at 11:51 AM |
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No I am having second thoughts.
Maybe I will keep the agusta engine in my living room for decorating purposes. Until I kill my fireblade engine on a track day (my car is used only on
track) and then do the swap...
I know money wise it will cost over 2000 but there will be an agusta under the bonnet.
Firstly I need to see the condition of the bike (this will happend at xmass), I will post pictures when this happend to share this moment with you.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 14/11/07 at 09:58 PM |
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MV Augusta make beautiful bikes that people lust after for their design but are the engines themselves considered to be something special as well?
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kastrato
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| posted on 14/11/07 at 10:32 PM |
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The choice of materials made agusta engine special as they are very light and powerfull. 145bhp for 900cc it is not something extreme but in
combination with the reduced weght of the engine really makes the bike fast.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 14/11/07 at 10:44 PM |
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I imagine they use flash materials to make the bike light overall (is 185kgs that light really?
Wiki), but I can't see what they can do to make an engine significantly lighter
than its rivals. A blade or R1 engine only weighs ~60kgs and is all alloy, most 600 engines don't weigh more than a few kgs less so I
can't seeing it being lower than that ballpark, if at all. It also mentions on that Wiki page that its 139bhp, not 145?
Sorry, this is all sounding a bit negative which isn't the intention, I just get the impression you're hoping / expecting it to be a big
leap on the blade, and I have a nasty feeling that you might be disappointed once you actually get it in there.
cheers
Chris
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kastrato
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 posted on 14/11/07 at 10:48 PM |
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snif you won....
maybe it is not such a good idea after all. I will stick with my blade until I get hold of a busa.
The agusta engine will end up decorating my living room in the same way a flat screen television will do.
I am an architectural student you see with a big love for engines...
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 15/11/07 at 07:03 PM |
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As mentioned earlier in the thread, if you really have a desire to put it in because the name / image appeals and just because you want your
car to be something a bit different, then none of the above should put you off. If you're looking for a genuine performance gain and don't
really have the time to develop an unknown engine into an effective power plant though, or you were only really fitting it because you'd feel
guilty refusing it from your friend, then I think you've made the right decision as you'd be better off going with something more well
known like a busa, R1 or ZX12 etc.
Hopefully I put you off for the right reasons
cheers
Chris
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tks
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| posted on 15/11/07 at 07:40 PM |
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Basicly its just all about what you want.
If you do it for doing it then just do it!
if you do it for speed then just sell that engine and buy a ZX12R from it etc. etc.
saying that! the BHP says it all!
what you could do is turbo it
and not spent that money on a dry sump.
or just turbo the blade.
if you want for BHP search for them
if you want an exotic engine then swap.
you can do both but thats twice the risk!
Tks
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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kastrato
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| posted on 15/11/07 at 09:04 PM |
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If I only knew what I really want....
My whole life was like that...
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