David Jenkins
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| posted on 16/8/09 at 09:23 PM |
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I used to own a Parker-Hale No.4 target rifle - 7.62mm! The club I was in used to shoot at Bisley - the furthest I shot was on the 800yd (metre?)
range.
Great fun, but just too much hassle these days...
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nstrug
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| posted on 16/8/09 at 09:44 PM |
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I have an Anschutz XIV .22 with a thumbhole stock for the bunnies - frighteningly accurate with a a Tasco 6-24x42 and Winchester subsonic
hollowpoints. Lovely short carbine (even with the supressor), fully floating barrel, 10 round mag.
I also have an ancient and slightly ropey Lanber over-and-under 12 bore that I completely fail to hit woodies with.
Deer (roe and fallow) obviously require stronger medicine - a Mauser 98 in 7x64, unfortunately not mine (it's my uncle-in-law's) but an
incredible accurate and effective rifle nontheless.
I'm not a fan of air rifles I must say, I think it's very hard to guarantee a clean kill with them and they always seem very heavy and
unbalanced. However, if you can't get an FAC for whatever reason, it's better than throwing rocks 
Nick
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scootz
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| posted on 16/8/09 at 09:48 PM |
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Gangsters like the 'bling' aspect of the Glock... it's just a piece of macho jewelry. For the rest of us it's just a very
reliable and accurate tool (for a pistol).
I'll bet my ass though that very few of these 'gangsters' could hit a static torso-sized target at 20 metres using BOTH hands and
taking as much time as they like!
I'd bet my house that they could never hit a similarly sized moving target at half that distance!
Pistol proficiency doesn't come easy - it takes a lot of time, hard bloody work, patience and a fair degree of natural ability. Some folk just
have no hand / eye co-ordination.
I just hate it in the movies when you watch them shoot 'em up one handed, gun tilted to one side and the rounds firing in quick succession. It
doesn't work that way!
A one-handed 'reactionary' shot will only be of use at a few metres distance. Beyond that and you will have to take a breath, scan your
backdrop, set yourself up for the shot and squeeze the trigger progressively as a snap-pull will always fire high and wide.
You see the reality in the YouTube footage of what real gun-fights are like on the Police car dash-cams. Both shooters standing a few metres apart
and blasting their pistols in panic - every shot missing! If one lands it's more by good fortune than skill!
The MP5 is a different ball-game altogether - with a laser sight you CANNOT miss at anything less than 50 metres... after that you've got to
know what you're doing and be able to judge different round-movement factors more accurately.
Riflemen (Marksmen) are a different breed altogether... give these guys a 7.62 rifle and a decent scope and they'll knock a group of shots into
a 10cm grouping at half a mile away!
I was a firearms team member in the UK, then went out to Bosnia for a few years and ran some training / firearms policy development for the civilian
Police there (amongst other things).
Best pistol shot I ever saw was a Policeman from a small town in a Bosnian backwater... he was firing a CZ (nasty gun) at a static target at 20 meters
and was barely pausing between shots. Shoot... return recoil movement... shoot!
Every one of them landed on target... amazing - he was just like a precision machine!
PS - I was being (or trying to be) tongue-in-cheek with the spinal injury reference. Been the blight of my life - loved being active and now I can
barely walk any distance. Spent a week in hospital recently and was subjected to the delights of morphine and the horror of catheterization!
Consultants diagnosis was not particularly good, but I was in a Neurosurgery ward of 4 guys, none much older than myself, but all in a far worse state
of affairs. The experience all put my situation into context and I took strength from focusing on the things I CAN still do instead of what I CANNOT
do any longer!
Onwards and upwards!
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scootz
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| posted on 16/8/09 at 09:58 PM |
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Was thinking of applying for a civilian firearm license as now living on my in-laws farm and enjoy helping out with the vermin control. Semi-auto
shotgun for the pigeons and a .22 for the bunnies. I'd never get a license though due to my disability and medication needs.
I do have a Weirauch HK77 .22 air rifle with 4x 40 scopes which is fine for bunnies at 40 yards.
Very nice gun - bit heavy and not cheap, but at the upper limit of the power-scale and very accurate! Beautifully made!
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 16/8/09 at 10:02 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
I just hate it in the movies when you watch them shoot 'em up one handed, gun tilted to one side and the rounds firing in quick succession. It
doesn't work that way!
You see the reality in the YouTube footage of what real gun-fights are like on the Police car dash-cams. Both shooters standing a few metres apart
and blasting their pistols in panic - every shot missing! If one lands it's more by good fortune than skill!
Notice that the shooters in movies don't blink either! They're either firing weak blanks or they're stone deaf - real shots HURT
unprotected ears, and damage is almost instantaneous.
As for effective range - I once heard an experienced army instructor ask his audience what the effective range of a pistol in warfare was... after
various guesses of 15 yards, 20 yards, 30 yards, whatever, he said that it was about 5 - 7 yards. When you're wet, cold, scared and
there's an enemy charging at you, that's about as close that you could stand a reasonable chance of hitting the target. I used to shoot
pistols at 25 yards - originally that distance was for duelling practice!
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scootz
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| posted on 16/8/09 at 10:17 PM |
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Took a while during training to stop flinching when guys to the left and right were firing just as you were lining up your shot... got used to it
eventually though.
Used to love the FATS training system... imagine a wall sized PS3 screen hooked up to modified Glocks. Real time filmed scenarios would be run out on
screen and computers would track where you were pointing your gun at every point of the scenario and measure your accuracy / reaction times.
Was a great piece of kit for identifying who the 'dreamers' were and who were 'switched-on'.
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jambo
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| posted on 16/8/09 at 10:34 PM |
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i to have the tx200hc only used now and then for fun on paper and chalk targets.
beautifull gun though.
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Peteff
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| posted on 16/8/09 at 10:48 PM |
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I have a BSA Cadet .177 air rifle upstairs. I used to shoot it when I was 10 years old and it was an old gun then (47 years ago). I use my catapult if
I want to knock anything off though 
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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scootz
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| posted on 17/8/09 at 06:57 AM |
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I still have my 'Black-Widow' catapult (gutty) from my younger days. Great fun and pretty accurate with BB's!
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balidey
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| posted on 17/8/09 at 07:07 AM |
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Oh, all this talk of guns is making me nostalgic.
I used to shoot pistols and small bore rifles a few years ago, had a FAC and shotgun ticket. Then the ban came in making it almost impossible to shoot
full bore.
My brother in law was into air rifles in a big way, had about 30 in a rack. No idea what makes or models we used to shoot, but I used to go there on a
weekend, line up a row of tins and cans and empty as many tins of pellets as possible in as many air rifles as possible.
Shooting is such a dignified sport, such a shame it has virtually been taken away from us.
I often think about taking up a shotgun discipline of some sort.
Best memory of shooting pistol was a mate had a .44 magnum with an 8" barrel. Was a monster, and one day he had some full magnum rounds. He let
me have a play. He gave me two bits of advice....
1: after you pull the trigger move your head to the side or the end of the barrel will hit you on the bridge of your nose.
2: If you have time, when you have pulled the trigger put the gun down, take off your ear defenders and then put your fingers in your ears. It was
bloody loud.
I was fairly proficient with a pistol but I struggled to even hit the silouete with the .44 magnum. Hell of a gun, but totally impracticle.
[Edited on 17/8/09 by balidey]
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flak monkey
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| posted on 17/8/09 at 07:08 AM |
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Quite a few with fire arms certs then  and a few experienced shooters too by the looks of it 
Would love a rimfire .22 but at the moment I can't get one.
Was blowing apart windfall apples last night, which I seem to have an endless supply of Makes a bit of a mess though! 
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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jeffw
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| posted on 17/8/09 at 07:27 AM |
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I shot at Bisley as part of the RN Team, back in the day SLR over 1/2 mile with open sights sorts the visual impaired from the rest !
I did various armoury courses as well as fixing the big stuff (4.5"& various Missile systems) as part of my day job.
Ummm...Glock & MP5 suggests either the Police or special forces ....My most amazing shoot was a Barrett on a range in the US at 1 mile range,
astounding gun.
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Ivan
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| posted on 17/8/09 at 07:59 AM |
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Got my first rifle for my fifth birthday - rim fire, bolt action BSA .22 - hunted almost every day after school till I was 12 mainly using my
Mom's dual barrel .22 hornet with 410 shotgun under for game - fabulous combination - the hornet easily took out medium sized buck and the 410
was ideal for guinea fowl. Otherwise shot birds with the pellet gun or catapult  Used to roam the Veld almost every day with my dog, friends and
weapons of choice.
Then of course there where the battles with home made rubber powered guns using doubled over U shaped wire as ammunition - how we never blinded each
other I will never know - maybe because our parents put an end to it before we got the chance to do too much damage to each other - much more fun than
cap guns and maybe the pre courser to paint ball battles
Then we left countryside for the City - initially I hated it as I missed the absolute freedom. Now I can't even kill a fly, spider, scorpion or
cockroach - catch it in a glass and set it free outside .
Was drill and weapons instructor in the infantry during my National Service.
Just bought a Pepper Gun for self defence for what it's worth. (My only gun now - don't miss them at all)
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 17/8/09 at 08:05 AM |
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I once tried shooting a Desert Eagle semi-auto pistol - 44 Magnum. A totally stupid weapon - too big & heavy, I could barely pull the slide to
cock it, and monumental recoil.
I used to own a couple of big calibre guns - a 1911-pattern Colt 45ACP semi-auto (standard USA military issue) and a Webley 45 revolver (standard WWI
issue for officers). Both were easy to use - but very different!
The daft thing about me once having a FAC and owning several rifles & pistols, is that in real life I doubt whether I could ever shoot a fellow
human being - I even have philosophical problems with paint-balling!
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carpmart
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| posted on 17/8/09 at 08:09 AM |
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All this talk of air rifles has got me going again! I want one! See wanted advert below!
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=119662
You only live once - make the most of it!
Radical Clubsport, Kwaker motor
'94 MX5 MK1, 1.8
F10 M5 - 600bhp Daily Hack
Range Rover Sport - Wife's Car
Mercedes A class - Son's Car
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Benzine
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| posted on 17/8/09 at 08:27 AM |
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I have a Weihrauch 95k, pretty good. I used it for shooting rats at a local stables, some of them were the size of cats! You can't order air
rifles online now can you since about a year ago? I've only got one air rifle and one air pistol but enough airsoft weapons to sink a ship,
anyone else into airsoft?
The mental gymnastics a landlord will employ to justify immoral actions is clinically fascinating. Just because something is legal doesn't make
it moral.
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 17/8/09 at 08:31 AM |
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the only 2 guns ive played with were shotguns owned by a tobacco chewing, beer drinking realter in florida (friend of a friend of a friend).
The first was a pump action single barrel, used for killing snakes introduced with: 'ere have a go with my wifeys gun first.
The second was a semi-automatic combat shotgun used for killing 'gators that got on the guys land. Insane thing, especially when the powder from
a dud shell coats the barrel then ignites at the next press of trigger . The largest shells he owned gave me the biggest, purplest bruise on the
shoulder after 20 shots or so
Craig
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flak monkey
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| posted on 17/8/09 at 08:58 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Benzine
I have a Weihrauch 95k, pretty good. I used it for shooting rats at a local stables, some of them were the size of cats! You can't order air
rifles online now can you since about a year ago? I've only got one air rifle and one air pistol but enough airsoft weapons to sink a ship,
anyone else into airsoft?
The law changed a few years ago in that all air weapons must be sold by a registered fire arms dealer and all sales must be face to face and be
recorded with the name and address of the purchaser and the serial number of the weapon.
However if it is a private sale then you can still sell remotely and send weapns through the post. I doubt this will continue for long though.
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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miikae
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| posted on 17/8/09 at 09:37 AM |
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Ah back in care free single days i did a lot of DTL trap competition shooting (best score 95/100) with my trusty Browning A1 O/U, a bit of skeet and
game too with a Miruku 800W but sadly the local gunsmith went bankcrupt and both of them got lost as he was selling them for me and i was away at
the time so i didnt know until it was too late, when a shooting friend told me he thought he saw one of them in an auction and i was well out of
pocket , all i have now is a Browning A1 semi auto with a Cutts compensator and some screw in chokes bought new in 1972, plus an old .22 BSA Meteor
air rifle and a Webley .22 Senior/Premier pistol.
Back in the day a shotgun licence was 7/6 and bought from your local post office , i got my first one at 16 and bought an old Spanish Arramberri 12g
side by side that rang like a bell when fired.
Mike
If it can be done it i will be done .
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chrsgrain
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| posted on 17/8/09 at 10:30 AM |
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I've shot a bit...
Small bore target rifle for University, full bore for University and England (once - everyone else was ill!), pistol and SA80 for work, and have now
taken up trap shotgun shooting. Started in January, recently got 99/291 at the English Open, and won another gun - good days work!
It is great - but frustrating sometimes....
Chris
Spoing! - the sound of an irony meter breaking...
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 17/8/09 at 10:47 AM |
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SA80? are you in academic medicine in the military Chris?
Craig
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Vindi_andy
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| posted on 17/8/09 at 01:30 PM |
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Used to shoot small bore target rifle at 25 yds and 50 m unfortunately didnt have the natural ability. for rifle shooting.
Have now acquired my dads walther CO2 target pistol which is shot duelling style and that is a totally different proposition seem to have an aptitude
for that.
My dad on the other hand was an excellent rifle shot and has shot for england at bisley on several occasions and was an X class shot and shot against
malcolm cooper and alistair "jock" alan, not very well granted but shot against them.
had an operation on both thumbs a few years ago and has prety much given up hence my acquiring his pistol however as a trade I need to buy him a
vermin control rifle and scope combo.
Any suggestions this is for pidgeon control
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flak monkey
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| posted on 17/8/09 at 02:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Vindi_andy
Any suggestions this is for pidgeon control
As per my suggestions in the wanted section:
Weihrach HW95
Theoben Evolution
BSA Lightening
All nice and light and pointable. Go .177 for birdies
The TX is great, but probs a bit heavy for a lot of close range, confined space work.
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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Billbro
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| posted on 17/8/09 at 06:54 PM |
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Vermin gun
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Vindi-andy you can not go wrong with a .243 for vermin. .308 cartridge necked down to .243.
Travels about 3000 feet per second with a flat trajectory. Cost, about £150 second hand.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 17/8/09 at 07:02 PM |
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Not exactly suitable for the average back garden!
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