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welderman

posted on 9/1/12 at 11:54 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by bigfoot4616
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Originally posted by welderman
I hate wiring


you'll have quite a bit to do on yours won't you


Yes I will. Not looking forward to it one little bit





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Hellfire

posted on 10/1/12 at 12:46 PM Reply With Quote
New plugs.....

Phil






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bigfoot4616

posted on 10/1/12 at 07:09 PM Reply With Quote
went to get some new plugs today, they didn't have any so will try and get some tomorrow.

phoned up malc today as he supplied everything and he suggested some fuel in the throttle bodies to see if it would spit back through them, if so coil wires would need swapping round.
made no difference.

had a good look over the wiring and noticed that on the multi plug that connects the coils to the main loom the coil trigger wires didn't match up with the same colours either side of the plug. i then swapped the coil connecters round so they where correct with the ecu side of the loom, ended up swapping 1 and 4, 2 and 3.
still didn't start but this time it was puffing balls of flame out of the exhaust ports.
with tonight's previous attempts to start it there was quite a bit of petrol about which had got soaked into a rag i had left on the floor,
when it first flamed it ended up with me having to stamp on the rag a few times to put it out

another call to malc tomorrow i think

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bigfoot4616

posted on 11/1/12 at 06:45 PM Reply With Quote
new plugs are coming friday, no one local has any in stock.

put the coil wires back to there original location. then i gave the plugs a blast with a blow lamp and it nearly started, if i hadn't stupidly let go of the start button i think it may even of started. needed to get back to work so left it at that. will try again tomorrow

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welderman

posted on 16/1/12 at 04:52 PM Reply With Quote
any news fella





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bigfoot4616

posted on 16/1/12 at 07:30 PM Reply With Quote
still not running. not really any better with new plugs although it now will nearly start with a little fuel poured down the throttle bodies but not when the injectors are squirting.

spoke to andy bates today about something else so i asked him, he thought that everything sensor /switch wise must be correct as its trying to go with fuel and spark. i mentioned it was a white spark and he reckoned it should be a "fat blue" spark and possibly a weak spark could be stopping it starting. suggested checking it had good engine earth.

it was very cold in the garage at the weekend which wont have helped, also meant i didn't spend much time in there

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welderman

posted on 16/1/12 at 07:59 PM Reply With Quote
I'm not the best with electricity but if you need an extra pair of hands I will pop up if your desperater





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Davg

posted on 16/1/12 at 08:17 PM Reply With Quote
If you are in doubt about the wiring and its not hard wired to the car yet, If you want to send the loom etc up to me I will get the lecky part of it checked against the cars that I have here an get it runnining on mine.

No doubt you are getting severly pee'd off by now!

(done 3 5vys & got 2 cars here)


What is your set up at the mo ECU & loom, uk or states?

cheers D





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bigfoot4616

posted on 16/1/12 at 10:22 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by welderman
I'm not the best with electricity but if you need an extra pair of hands I will pop up if your desperater


thanks for the offer joe but got a few things to try, hopefully tomorrow night if it is a little warmer in the garage and then i'll be giving malc another ring if still no joy.


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If you are in doubt about the wiring and its not hard wired to the car yet, If you want to send the loom etc up to me I will get the lecky part of it checked against the cars that I have here an get it runnining on mine.

No doubt you are getting severly pee'd off by now!

(done 3 5vys & got 2 cars here)


What is your set up at the mo ECU & loom, uk or states?

cheers D


again thanks for the offer but i'm sure i'll be able to get to the bottom of it soon, there's only so much it can be.
its not bothering me to much at the moment as i have plenty of other things to get on with so itsw not really holding me up.

not sure what the loom is, the ecu has 20 on it. both supplied by malc along with the engine

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matt_gsxr

posted on 16/1/12 at 11:02 PM Reply With Quote
Have you connected up the throttle cable? Looking at the video it looks like there isn't one.

Maybe your engine can start without a timely blip, but on occasions I have found it useful to blip the throttle (either the help the engine spin a bit faster, or to clear a bit of a flood). You might also want to connect a substantial (maybe car) battery as those little bike ones are a bit rubbish (especially when cold).

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bigfoot4616

posted on 16/1/12 at 11:20 PM Reply With Quote
no throttle cable connected, i have been playing around with the throttle direct on the throttle bodies but it doesn't make any difference.
lack of 3 hands meant i couldn't do it while videoing
to get it to where it nearly starts on fuel dribbled direct into the throttle bodies i also have to open up the throttle.

soon gave up with the bike battery and am using a good car battery at the moment

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Davg

posted on 16/1/12 at 11:57 PM Reply With Quote
No worries, these engines will start up no problem if the set up is right without fannying about with throttle cables etc!



Offer is there if I can help.

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D





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bigfoot4616

posted on 11/2/12 at 10:01 PM Reply With Quote
it runs

malc had sent me various things to swop over and try including another ecu. nothing made any difference apart from the start cut of relay when it was much closer to starting. from the diagram i can't see how that can of been causing the problem though.
back in the garage today managed to get it to start by disconnecting the linkage to the secondary butterflies and manually opening them and holding the throttle wide open when cranking, after about 20 seconds it fired up and idled ok.
no exhaust so i only ran it for 30 seconds. 20 minutes later tried it again and it started on the button with no throttle.

hoping it gets a bit warmer next week so i can get cracking on the rest of the jobs that need doing.

thanks

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welderman

posted on 11/2/12 at 10:12 PM Reply With Quote
Nice one. You can come wire mine up now lol





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adithorp

posted on 11/2/12 at 10:49 PM Reply With Quote
Nice one.





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bigfoot4616

posted on 17/2/12 at 11:12 PM Reply With Quote
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Nice one. You can come wire mine up now lol


hows it coming along?

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welderman

posted on 18/2/12 at 12:36 AM Reply With Quote
Slowly. Sorted fuel tank out. Sent my engine to AB. My gear box is knackered
So gone even slower





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