JoelP
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| posted on 3/12/04 at 09:59 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Avoneer
Right so blade or R1 - I'll buy whatever is able when funds appear. What am I looking for age wise and what do I need to make sure comes with
it?
Pat...
you need coils, carbs, starter and altenator, cdi, a fuel pump, a regulator/rectifier, the full loom would be ideal, and also ideally a copy of a
workshop manual. then also maybe cables and the gear lever. maybe the clocks? probably forgot things there...
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chaos999
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| posted on 3/12/04 at 12:48 PM |
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Triumph, Triumph, Triumph!!!
Oh yes, bring it on.. you want power, the noise and the bike engined fun, latest 955i Daytona engine is 140+ BHP standard trim :-)), fuel injection
(full mapping software available for £200) 3 cyl engine makes fantastic noise and gets 122mph top speed if used with a 3.11 diff. Mid range torque is
great. Pulls like a train from 30mph in 6th! Takes some getting used to.
Triumph,Triumph, Triumph!!!
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dern
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| posted on 3/12/04 at 01:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by chaos999
Oh yes, bring it on.. you want power, the noise and the bike engined fun, latest 955i Daytona engine is 140+ BHP standard trim :-)), fuel injection
(full mapping software available for £200) 3 cyl engine makes fantastic noise and gets 122mph top speed if used with a 3.11 diff. Mid range torque is
great. Pulls like a train from 30mph in 6th! Takes some getting used to.
Triumph,Triumph, Triumph!!!
Triumph engines certainly feel more car like than jap bike engines in my limited experience of a test drive of a
mates T595. I didn't like them in a bike but it may work in a car or if you like less revs and (I assume) more torque.
Mark
[Edited on 3/12/04 by dern]
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chaos999
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| posted on 3/12/04 at 01:22 PM |
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T595 is old!
955i is completly different and revs out to 11,000 which I know is less than an R1 but so is a busa!
Simon
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dern
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| posted on 3/12/04 at 01:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by chaos999
T595 is old!
955i is completly different and revs out to 11,000 which I know is less than an R1 but so is a busa!
Cool. I'll give one a go if I can
ever part with my blade.
Thanks,
Mark
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chaos999
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| posted on 3/12/04 at 03:41 PM |
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I used to have a CBR 1000 striker (Sylva Demo car), I managed 128 bhp from this and coupled with short diff managed to give blade powered projectiles
and equal run for money. Also turned in good results on Sprints and low 13s run at Brighton 1/4 with dodgy fuelling.
Think the advantage was being able to stay in say 4th and literally power out without the need to change down, over a lap this has some advantage,
lost out in straight line as the diff was a 3.62 and ran hoosier slicks which dropped gearing even more, top speed down to 103 and I was doing that
and bouncing off limiter well before the end of 1/4 drag. Stonking engine and well cheap. Know all the jetting if anyone goes CBR1000, also it is a
pre cat age engine so a lot easier to SVA :-))
The Triumph engine is again a sports tourer with oodles of torque low down (for a bike) and cos there are three cyls the torque is there (bigger
capacity in each cyl) but revs a little less, hence me getting 122MPH top end.
Simon
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Avoneer
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| posted on 3/12/04 at 05:12 PM |
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So CBR1000 is more cheap and cheerful, but won't quite match a blade or R1 - but great if you are on a budget?
Cheers,
Pat...
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alister667
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| posted on 3/12/04 at 05:57 PM |
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I have a mate with a CBR1000 in an older MK book type chassis.
I'm damned if I can keep up with him! The big difference is that he can drive! Mind you I have an advantage up the straight bits.
Gimme another couple of years maybe 
http://members.lycos.co.uk/alister667/
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Avoneer
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| posted on 3/12/04 at 06:05 PM |
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Right, seen as budget is the number one factor here - there are a few CBR1000 floating around for sub £300 - most have 30k mileage though.
Anyone know if this will do the job for a "starter" BEC?
Also, I take it you can use them straight out of the box without any mods - eg, the sump.
Cheers,
Pat...
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dern
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| posted on 3/12/04 at 10:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Avoneer
Right, seen as budget is the number one factor here - there are a few CBR1000 floating around for sub £300 - most have 30k mileage
though.
Don't worry about that kind of mileage if the engine has had its oil changed regularly, especially with a honda.
Mark
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stevebubs
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| posted on 4/12/04 at 12:54 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Avoneer
Anyone know if this will do the job for a "starter" BEC?
Also, I take it you can use them straight out of the box without any mods - eg, the sump.
Simon's the expert, but I believe his Striker had a bog standard engine. Over the years it's had a lot of abuse given to it (including a
holed sump at Le Mans last year) and is still going strong.
To my knowledge, that car was also one of the first BECs around - and the fact it's on its original engine is a testament to the strength of
that block.
Stephen
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phelpsa
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| posted on 4/12/04 at 07:23 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by alister667
GSXR1100 - Phelspa is a big fan of these, older suzuki engines, oil cooled, I have heard they can develope problems when turned longditudinally, but I
don't know / remember any more details. Very cheap however and could be a good budget option.
Yes I am. I wouldn't recommend one for a first timer again though .
They are very torquey for a bike engine (nearly 90lbft) because of their long stroke, which also makes the engine quite tall.
The bottom end is bullet proof! I have seen a guy at a couple of hillclimbs who is running 300bhp turbo on the standard botton end.
Adam
[Edited on 4/12/04 by phelpsa]
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chaos999
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| posted on 6/12/04 at 09:40 AM |
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Hi, I am SImon (Chaos999) or SAN of BEC List.
It was indeed a pioneering car for both BECs and Sylva. I would suggest that this engine is really overlooked! Bullet proof and powerful and most
definately cheap.
It makes a great BEC and really was not left for dead. I ran in hillclimbs and sprints and was as quick and quicker than blade striker at the time and
there was a trip back from LeMans a few years back following a ZX9r powered Fury a couple of inches off his rear for several miles, nothing in it and
the fury was NOT standard.
THe original engine is still in there and it has done 3 round trips to LeMans and associated blatting around, hillclimbs and sprints, trackdays and
1/4 mile drags. Never had a failure and still on the first clutch.
So ignore the size and age and really look at what you want. You'll not be left standing and that is for sure!
Simon
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Bananaman
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| posted on 9/12/04 at 11:13 AM |
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So just to help me clarify things.
The CBR1000 is a good first time engine. What ancillaries would I need to make sure that I had, and would I need to modify any parts. Don't
forget though, I know didly squat about bikes.
Cheers
Michael
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chaos999
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| posted on 9/12/04 at 11:32 AM |
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Hi,
Well engine block etc..
Carbs, full wiring loom, clocks (although speedo is mechanical geared would be good and the ignition key if poss. You can use the warning light strip
too. Exhaust system or at least the headers as a miniumum and silencer if poss. Also be good to get the airbox and more importantly the rubbers unless
you are going trumpet socks / sausage (costa lot).
Also get the oil cooler, pipes and fittings, water thermo housing and fan / rad too if poss :-), you could use all the switchgear too off handlebars
(striker did).
Have a check on clutch lines as these are hydraulic and mine originally leaked.
Don't worry on fuel pump although if avail take it, used a facet on mine.
Jetting on carbs, we know what works and can sort that for you to reproduce the power seen. Exhaust, www.powerspeed.co.uk and ask for Dave Paris
(he's MD there) mention me (simon) and he'll sort the exhaust for you.
Props (bailey morris), flange plate/adapter there are loads for these (Mark Fisher say). Engine mounts etc.. sure that between us that could be done
or buy kit of bits from Mark Fisher or Darren at GTS??)
Simon
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Bo
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| posted on 9/12/04 at 11:37 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Bananaman
So just to help me clarify things.
The CBR1000 is a good first time engine. What ancillaries would I need to make sure that I had, and would I need to modify any parts. Don't
forget though, I know didly squat about bikes.
Cheers
Michael
Try to get as much of the bike as you can.
Carburettors off course, wiring loom if you can get it, makes it easier to figure out where things go later.... Fuel pump (I don't know if
there is one one the cbr1000, though)
But simply take as much as you can carry.... It is always easier to discard it later if you don't need it, and some of the parts can be quite
pricey as spares.
Sometimes it can be as cheap to buy a crash-damaged bike as an engine with extras
[Edited on 9/12/04 by Bo]
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chaos999
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| posted on 9/12/04 at 11:41 AM |
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Also, don't think of the CBR1000 as a first time engine!
This is a powerful unit, up over 120 bhp and RR'd by me at near 130bhp, but more importantly the torque figures are high (for bike) low in revs
which makes drivability great!!
Ok it's old but bullet proof and it WILL easily keep up with more modern engined cars :-))
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Bananaman
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| posted on 9/12/04 at 11:45 AM |
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Simon
Many thanks for the reply. Would I be better off buying a complete bike and selling what's left?
Cheers
Michael
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chaos999
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| posted on 9/12/04 at 11:47 AM |
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Can do,
Although breakers are a good source for bits.. I bought carbs (set) for £30 on CBR before. Rubbers for carbs were £30 each from Honda!!!!
Header pipes, must really. But you can make up all the rest if need be :-)
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Rorty
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| posted on 10/12/04 at 05:42 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Bananaman
So just to help me clarify things.
The CBR1000 is a good first time engine. What ancillaries would I need to make sure that I had, and would I need to modify any parts. Don't
forget though, I know didly squat about bikes.
CBR1000 is really a first class engine for a car. I have listed all you'll need to look out for at the wreckers on my site
HERE.
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
PLEASE DON'T U2U ME IF YOU WANT A QUICK RESPONSE. TRY EMAILING ME INSTEAD!
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Bananaman
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| posted on 14/12/04 at 11:39 AM |
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When you say low in revs, just how low. I really want something that will go to aleast 9,000.
Cheers
Michael
[Edited on 14/12/04 by Bananaman]
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chaos999
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| posted on 14/12/04 at 12:06 PM |
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yes it does go above 9k, thinks it was around 10250 ish
Simon
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Bananaman
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| posted on 14/12/04 at 12:15 PM |
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Thanks Simon
Lubbly Jubbly
Cheers
Michael
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