indykid
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| posted on 17/5/05 at 08:24 AM |
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never mind that, who voted for the one in the middle?
tom
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subk2002
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| posted on 17/5/05 at 09:45 AM |
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Nice avator colin 
I voted for 1 
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Alez
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| posted on 24/6/05 at 10:07 AM |
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Changed my mind..
quote:
Originally posted by Alez
I've had both. First one was pull for up and I found it very natural. I should mention that normal "H" gearboxes are in fact
arranged that way (I'm talking about 1 to 2 and 3 to 4, where the stick moves on a straight line). Then second one was push for up. I found it
unnatural and still do (I'm now used to it). I now have to think twice when I drive my other car (a Golf) and actually I've downshifted by
mistake a couple of times in the Golf because of this. This had never happened when I had the first car. I would like to change to pull for up in the
future, I find it way more intuitive.
Cheers,
Alex
[Edited on 9/5/05 by Alez]
Guys,
A good while after I posted the quoted text, I have changed my mind.. and I think I have a point so I'm sharing it.
I still find unnatural to push for upshifts and pull for downshifts as I find it contrary to the movement the the car puts in your body. However, I
now use the clutch for downshifts only. I have found clutchless upshifts to be smoother by a lot. I was convinced by this excellent article which has
been posted in other threads here:
http://www.hewland.com/svga/help.htm
To upshift, now I first push the gearstick gently, and shift by just lifting the throttle. That is, the shift doesn't happen until you take the
"load" out of the gearbox, and when you do that, the gearstick magically lets your hand engage the next gear without any of the clunks
associated with BECs. (When uphill, I haven't yet achieved shifts as smooth as when flat unless I'm accelerating quickly, but I suspect I
just need to practice how to lift the throttle almost totally instead of totally, ie leave a bit of throttle.. maybe? Still smoother than clutch aided
upshifts anyway.)
What happens now is that the natural movement that the cars puts in my body is actually helping me put a bit extra pressure on the gear stick at the
very moment I lift the throttle, aiding quick and smooth shift.
Therefore although I still think that the most natural way is the opposite, I will be leaving my car as it is now (I had in mind changing it), and I
now think that, in our particular type of gearbox, this helps natural upshifts, so I would treat this as kind of a special case?
Chris, Lightning, OX, timvangemert, Coose and the others who favour pull for upshifts, what do you think??
Cheers,
Alex
PS: can I change my vote now??
[Edited on 24/6/05 by Alez]
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 24/6/05 at 10:28 AM |
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I would say "stock up on gearbox spares"
Seriously though, even when I clutchless upchange, I dont find there's much force lunging you forward when you slightly lift, there certainly
shouldnt be otherwise it shows you're slowing down which is kinda against the idea of doing it so maybe you're lifting a bit too much?
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Alez
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| posted on 24/6/05 at 10:39 AM |
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Hmm, interesting point Chris, I'll be experimenting with less lift, thanks!
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Hellfire
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| posted on 24/6/05 at 11:37 AM |
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In a normal car from neutral, you go 1st (up), 2nd (down), 3rd(up), 4th (down), 5th (up). To my reckoning thats 3 forward shifts to 2 back. Therefore
I conclude that it is more natural to push up when upshifting (which is possibly why its called such)
Thats my theory and I'm sticking to it. 
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 24/6/05 at 11:40 AM |
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Ah but my tintop has a 6 speed box, and its called upshifting because you're numerically going UP the gears
[Edited on 24/6/05 by ChrisGamlin]
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mad-butcher
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| posted on 24/6/05 at 05:47 PM |
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slightly off track but nephew has a midi moto with a chinese version of a honda C90 centrifugal clutch motor does about 60mph it's a pain. threw
me up the road at 50 gearbox neutral up 1 for 1st then down for 2nd 3rd 4th and 1st there is no stop between 4th and 1st just goes round and round
tony
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