bitsilly
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| posted on 10/6/10 at 08:16 PM |
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We ARE doing the right thing!
Just thought I'd share my thoughts with y'all.
At a recent track day I had a blast in my R1 Phoenix, before driving it home! It was honestly one of the fastest things there bar perhaps a
beautifully tuned Exige (driven by a racer) which I missed being on track at the same time as.
One of my dream cars used to be a Vauxhall VX turbo, and there was a stage 4 tuned one there!! The owner took me for a spin.
It was almost as fast as my BEC, but in comparison was like driving round on a living room sofa!
It looked so easy to drive and did handle well. It seemed super-civilised but really soft too, we may as well have been cruising a motorway!
My feeling was that at comparitive peanuts, price wise, my little kit car was a frantic mad noisy thing that was masses of fun, and if written off, I
would only have to sell one of my children to get another.
I pretty much only have the car for track days, but may take up racing if TimC doesn't let up on me and he is winning! But it is my humble
opinion that bike engines are more fun and faster than anything else at the track.
After a few laps in a bantam weigh car with a sequential box using almost no rubber and not even bad with petrol consumption, NOTHING ELSE WILL DO.
ps If I can do this linky thing, please watch this. It is a different day, but the porsche cost over a quarter of a million pounds! A mate who co-owns
my Phoenix basically said the same thing about it as I said about the tuned VX220!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS1ZY_KL0OM&feature=related
Rant over!
Cheers
Ed
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clairetoo
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| posted on 10/6/10 at 08:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bitsilly
the porsche cost over a quarter of a million pounds!
Um...............how do spend that much on a Porsche ?
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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fha772
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| posted on 10/6/10 at 08:38 PM |
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The porsche 911 RS, was £1/4 mil, because it's a classic, not because it's fast(in modern terms).
I agree with the general theme of your post, but it's horses for courses, i've driven BEC cars, and on the track they are fun, but
i'm not keen on them for the road.
The power band is too narrow, for long runs, but that is just my opinion, and i know there's LOADS out there who love them.
That's why i'm planning my build round a BMW 2.8, because it'll give me plenty of grunt when i want it, and a steady cruise when i
want that.
I'm sure the guy it the VX, preferred his car to your's, and probibly thought it better.
I'm not saying my build will be better than your car, it's just better for me.
I never understand slagging off other cars at the track, it's all down to taste and preference.
So, enjoy your cars, but respect others, for their choice, after all it's not you driving them. It's not about who's got the fastest
car, it's about enjoying the day, and maybe learning from others.
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=6743&start=105
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Steve Hignett
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| posted on 10/6/10 at 08:40 PM |
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Get yourself racing...........
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fha772
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| posted on 10/6/10 at 08:42 PM |
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That's really my point, if your so concerned about having the fastest car, then race!!
But remember, you don't have to win all the time, there's more to life.
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=6743&start=105
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RAYLEE29
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| posted on 10/6/10 at 08:44 PM |
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Im sure colin chapman would agree with you
Ray
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Antnicuk
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| posted on 10/6/10 at 09:04 PM |
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come to a track day with me, the turbo charged busa BEC's couldnt keep up. REC is the way forward
600 BHP per ton, Stylus Brought back from the dead! Turbo Rotary Powered!
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fha772
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| posted on 10/6/10 at 09:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Antnicuk
come to a track day with me, the turbo charged busa BEC's couldnt keep up. REC is the way forward
13B? Bridge ported? Turbo'd? Updated rotor tip seals?
What rotary are you running?
God, I miss my twin turbo 13B powered RX3!!
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bitsilly
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| posted on 10/6/10 at 09:35 PM |
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I am not at all bothered to be the fastest at a track day, that was really a passing comment. One of my fave cars is the mini classic. But yes I
would love to race, which is why I am considering it.
The thing I love at the track is the sheer manicness of the things.
Can't remember 'slagging off' any car. The owner of the Porsche is a mate.
The fun for me comes from the fact that such a cheap car can be so effective.
I did, however, deliberately say that the Phoenix is just for track days as it is a pain on the roads, simply as the focus is so different. I would
prefer a VX any time on the road.
Another way of getting the point accross is that to say that if you give up trying to get a car thats excellent at day to day road driving, and track
days too, then you can get a better road car and a better track car for less money. I personally have found that separating fun and necessity for
transport works best for me. I sold an M3 and bought a Mondeo and a BEC!! I wish I had learnt the lesson sooner!
Ant, if a turbo busa BEC couldn't keep up then I am mighty impressed!
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eddie99
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| posted on 10/6/10 at 09:37 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Antnicuk
come to a track day with me, the turbo charged busa BEC's couldnt keep up. REC is the way forward
That offer apply to anyone or do i have to make some post about me starting to like BEC's to get that
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Steve Hignett
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| posted on 10/6/10 at 09:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Antnicuk
come to a track day with me, the turbo charged busa BEC's couldnt keep up. REC is the way forward
You are probably just a god behind the wheel and your car has the best setup for handling etc as I would suspect that a turbo Busa BEC would be fairly
handy round the track...
Not that your car isn't - I'm sure it is - but statements like that, aren't always telling the full story.
Not that I'm saying your lying...
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Antnicuk
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| posted on 10/6/10 at 09:46 PM |
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ts a 13b street ported turbo.
come along anytime, i'm at woodbridge on the 26th june. More the merrier. Its much more enjoyable when there are some good quick cars there,
BEC or not. A bit of friendly banter is always good. I had a play with an R500 last time.
As for seperating road and track cars, i cant agree more, i sold my rx7 road car which was getting more and more track focused but still slow
compared to a kit car, i now have an M3 and the kit car. he M3 is great around the ring though. I'm not brave enough to drive to germany in
the stylus
[Edited on 10-6-10 by Antnicuk]
600 BHP per ton, Stylus Brought back from the dead! Turbo Rotary Powered!
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Antnicuk
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| posted on 10/6/10 at 09:55 PM |
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i have always been honest about my car, and the battles i have had with other cars. I am certainly no driving god, far from it, i tend to lose all
concentration on track and my lines are terrible, its a kind of red mist thing. I can control car fairly well which compensates a little for my bad
driving which is generally beyond the limit. As for set up, i have been tweaking it since i rebuilt it and still changing things. I should do
things a little more methodically by changing one thing, testing and timing and then changing something else but im just in it for the fun which is
why i dont race. For the next track day i have different rear springs and different arb settings, we will see if it makes any difference. The other
problem is im not a good enough driver to notice small differences in the car.
The R500 was much more composed than me around the track as i said in my post after the event but the sheer amount of torque and a linear power band
it has makes up for a lot of short comings in my driving and the cars basic live axle (dont go there)
If i thught that i could give the car to someone who would set it all up and not charge me a fortune i would but dont think such a person exists!
[Edited on 10-6-10 by Antnicuk]
600 BHP per ton, Stylus Brought back from the dead! Turbo Rotary Powered!
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Steve Hignett
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| posted on 10/6/10 at 10:20 PM |
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I wasn't saying the above to start an argument - But I think you realised that...
The video below is of a guy at Anglesey when I was there.
Have a look at his other vids as they are quite good.
I don't know the guy apart from borrowing a beaker the night before for a splash of vodka, when everyone else had cans of beer. At firs he came
across as quite arrogant, but I don't think he was, it's just that he wasn't bothered about associating with us and our poxy cars I
don't think.
His car started life as a Caterham Superlight, then converted to BEC (IIRC). It was a NON turboed, but overbored (1400) Busa.
It was the quickest thing at the track. By a LONG way, and almost all his laps were done two up (I know you often have your missus in, but as you say
that does effect the way that torque moves the car esp in a BEC)
It was obv a sorted car and he was a pretty good driver.
At 1m30s into the vid you see him going past my car (it was being driven by bigfoot4616, can never remember whether his name was Stuart or
not!!! and although it's not his car, he's no slouch behind the wheel) - the reason for the me pointing this out, is because it's
the same rear suspension as you, and I believe that it's drastically flawed (Yes I know critizising JP means I'll be going straight to
hell...)
ANGLESEY TD BUSA
Oh and PS, it has been mentioned before about taking your car to someone who can set it up or at least check it for you. Procomp has been mentioned
several times recently. He's not always been the most popular person on this forum as he USED TO always speak his mind no matter what. That
doesn't affect his and his dad's abilities to set up a car. And as for price, I'm sure he quoted something like just £30 for corner
weighting, and that is a bloody bargain as it can transform a car, or at least tell the owner where it's wrong and can't be changed (thins
happened to me and stated cutting stuff up  )...
ATB
Steve
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TimC
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| posted on 11/6/10 at 07:39 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bitsilly
may take up racing if TimC doesn't let up on me and he is winning!
Errr... I think you're unlikely to come under that pressure, although I win all the time on 'GT Pro' on the Wii.........
My member isn't anywhere near large enough to comment on the second half of the thread.
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expatkiwi
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| posted on 16/6/10 at 08:47 PM |
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REC for me guys and girls
3rd in class and 14th overall at the Abingdon carnival sprint on the weekend.
Thats first time driving it competitivly as well so well chuffed with that.
I have decided to call my Westfeild "The Caterhammer" Hopefully it will
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