bigfoot4616
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| posted on 7/1/12 at 07:10 PM |
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non starting R1(5vy) VIDEO ADDED
had a go at trying to start it for the first time today but had no joy.
ignition on and the fuel pump primes all ok. cranking it i get a spark but it wont go.
doesn't seem to have any pressure in the fuel rail, i remove the inlet pipe and get a tiny drop of fuel, not even enough to dribble out.
put the fuel pipe into a jar and when the pump primes it sends quite a bit of fuel out so the pump seems ok.
time was getting on and the battery was getting low so i never got round to checking fuel comes out when its cranking.
i'm thinking that just the pump priming should give me noticeable pressure in the fuel rail?
will try blocking the fuel return tomorrow and see what happens.
anyone any other ideas?
thanks
its using the bikes fuel pump
[Edited on 7/1/12 by bigfoot4616]
[Edited on 8/1/12 by bigfoot4616]
[Edited on 9/1/12 by bigfoot4616]
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Mr C
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| posted on 7/1/12 at 07:32 PM |
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Sorry if its something you've checked, is the flow and return connected the right way on to the fuel rails, regulator etc?, Its an easy mistake,
one I and others have made with our subaru set-ups.
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bigfoot4616
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| posted on 7/1/12 at 08:27 PM |
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yes, they are the right way. flow is through the original clip on fitting, return comes from the regulator
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chicade
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| posted on 7/1/12 at 10:06 PM |
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had exactly the same prob last week when starting my 5pw r1 i am running a standard r1 pump in tank pump sounded fine but delivered very little fuel
same as yours i think it must of been air locked removed pump checked-all ok refitted pump and filled tank with fuel,primed pump few times with lines
disconnected and had really good output,refitted fuel lines and she started first flick of the key...its a great milestone!!!! good luck hope this
helps
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bigfoot4616
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| posted on 7/1/12 at 10:27 PM |
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mine seems to be pumping quite a bit of fuel through when its priming with the supply line disconnected though.
will bear it in mind though
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MK9R
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| posted on 7/1/12 at 11:24 PM |
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Fit an inline fuel pressure gauge, did it to mine to ensure the 3 bar reached. You have got the pump fitted in the bottom of the tank haven't
you? They point up from the mounting flange
Cheers Austen
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bigfoot4616
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| posted on 7/1/12 at 11:36 PM |
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yes, pump is fitted from the bottom.
got a couple of hours spare before the football tomorrow, if i don't get any where with it then will try and borrow a pressure gauge to test the
pump.
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MK9R
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| posted on 7/1/12 at 11:42 PM |
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Had an issue when it just wouldn't start, advice from a fellow racer with r1 expirience was to try and start it with throttle wide open, hey
presto it fired up within a few cranks. Its only ever done it once since.
ha
Cheers Austen
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MK9R
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| posted on 7/1/12 at 11:46 PM |
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You defo have plug loom in correct order, not back to front, standard loom brings wiring to the front of the car. i put mine on back to front the
first time
Cheers Austen
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bigfoot4616
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| posted on 7/1/12 at 11:56 PM |
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yes correct order, had to modify it slightly to get the connecter to the back of the engine as like you say as standard its at the front.
definatly thinking it has to be fuel as after a lot of cranking the plugs where bone dry and no smell of fuel
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bigfoot4616
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| posted on 8/1/12 at 12:57 PM |
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fuel pressure problem is sorted.
for reference any problems with fuel pressure using the r1 pump there is an o-ring in the fuel pump. when i seated it correctly i got pressure when
the pump primed. straight away i could here the air from the fuel system gurgling back into the tank.
the pump assembly comes apart by releasing 4 large tabs. the outlet pipe on the bottom section goes up into a tube on the top pump section, when
disassembling the o-ring stays in the top section.
reseat the o-ring in the recess on the bottom section pipe and then push the white plastic bit into the o-ring then reassemble the whole lot.
quick test i found when the o-ring wasn't seated right fuel would run out of the supply pipe, thats how i drained the tank. when it was seated
correctly no fuel came out.
still haven't got it running, it has fuel as the plugs where damp and it dribbled a bit out of the exhaust ports. it also has spark on all 4
plugs.
it cranks and pops occasionally with a little smoke from the exhaust ports and a couple of times it started to pick up a little for a second.
by then the battery was about flat so its gone back on charge.
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RichardK
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| posted on 8/1/12 at 02:14 PM |
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Sounds like your nearly there, don't forget we need a first start video or it didn't happen!
Take care
Rich
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bigfoot4616
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| posted on 9/1/12 at 06:21 PM |
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got a video, not of it starting though.
just had another quick try with no joy. not even tying to pick up this time, just a few pops now and again. you can here them in this vid
http://s171.photobucket.com/albums/u310/bigfoot4616/striker/?action=view¤t=VIDEO0001.mp4
one problem is the battery doesn't last long and the optimate takes ages to recharge it.
i take it that as i have fuel and spark electrics wise it should start? i do have a few spare wires that aren't mentioned in the wiring
diagrams.
thanks
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Rogthebandit
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| posted on 9/1/12 at 09:45 PM |
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Hi
Have you spun it up with out the plugs in? It you say that fuel is in the cylinders and on the plugs, it doesn't take much to flood these
engines and from your vid it sounds like it's firing in the exhaust which indicted fuel mixture issue. Have you tried new plugs?
Sounds simple but a lot of time it is the simple things that catch us out
Is there any other work you've done on the engine?
Cheers
Rog
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bigfoot4616
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| posted on 9/1/12 at 10:23 PM |
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spun it over without plugs and no fuel before trying to start it for the first time.
was planning on picking up some new plugs to try.
not done any other work to the engine.
thanks
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Rogthebandit
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| posted on 9/1/12 at 10:26 PM |
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Ya, I would defo start with new plugs. Once they have been flooded and dried they can track and flood easy. Hope they work.
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mark chandler
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| posted on 9/1/12 at 10:35 PM |
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Try putting the plugs in hot, use a blow torch it helps keep them clean.
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adithorp
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| posted on 9/1/12 at 10:46 PM |
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Have you checked the spark at all 4 coils/plugs? 5vy won't start with one spark missing.
rotax78 on here had no no3 spark on his. Ruled out coils and plugs by swapping them around but the none spark stayed in the same place and the loom
tested OK. Put my ecu on his car and it fired first time. Tried his ECU on mine and it wouldn't start.
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welderman
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| posted on 9/1/12 at 10:54 PM |
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Have you checked all your connectors 10
times. I had the very same problem. Took my loom appart. Got steve Hignett over. Nothing then we noticed I had plugged a dark grey connector in to a
black one. They are both the same just coloured different. I was gutted. But fired up straight away. Numpty me.
Your closer to starting than me though 
Thank's, Joe
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Back on with the Fisher Fury R1
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bigfoot4616
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| posted on 9/1/12 at 11:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
Have you checked the spark at all 4 coils/plugs? 5vy won't start with one spark missing.
rotax78 on here had no no3 spark on his. Ruled out coils and plugs by swapping them around but the none spark stayed in the same place and the loom
tested OK. Put my ecu on his car and it fired first time. Tried his ECU on mine and it wouldn't start.
all 4 are sparking.
Joe, have checked all connectors but i may still need to check them again.
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adithorp
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| posted on 9/1/12 at 11:25 PM |
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Tilt swich the right way? "UP" should be on the top, not the side the right way up like writing on a packing box. If you siliconed it, be
sure it stuck it in the right place (mine didn't)
When you re-wired the coil loom did you do the same with the injectors? Fueling is sequential.
Those are a bit clutching at straws...
Someone on here did have a wire terminal push itself out of it's connector block and prevent starting so worth going through them all.
Are all earths connected (PowerCommander included)?
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big_l
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| posted on 9/1/12 at 11:31 PM |
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sounds simalar as mine i had incorrect firing order 
try swapping coils about!!
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welderman
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| posted on 9/1/12 at 11:33 PM |
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Back to those plugs I think there were 5 wires in each and maybe one was a different colour on each plug. But keep checking. I hate wiring
Thank's, Joe
I don't stalk people
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Back on with the Fisher Fury R1
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bigfoot4616
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| posted on 9/1/12 at 11:35 PM |
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tilt switch is as you say, not glued up yet. wouldn't that stop either fuel or spark or both?
coil loom is as it came apart from the wires to one coil where lengthened. injector wiring is also as it came apart from being shortened just before
the plug to the throttle bodies.
not even plugged the power commander in yet
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bigfoot4616
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| posted on 9/1/12 at 11:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by welderman
I hate wiring
you'll have quite a bit to do on yours won't you
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