TrophyJem
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| posted on 11/9/13 at 12:40 PM |
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ECU for Duratec
I'm just planning my Pinto to Duratec conversion this winter and I need to think about what would be a sensible choice for the ECU (without
breaking the bank).
Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
Cheers
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BaileyPerformance
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| posted on 11/9/13 at 02:41 PM |
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Megasquirt, cheapest and the best!
Www.baileyperformance.co.uk
Turnkey Efi installation (using stock inlet) £1200 all in.
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sdh2903
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| posted on 11/9/13 at 04:20 PM |
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Watching this with interest as duratec a possible engine for my next project.
Excuse my ignorance as I'm not clued up on ecus but is a home built component ecu really better than say omex, mbe, emerald etc? Surely these
companies must spend lots of money on R and D for their products? (Or was the mega squirt is best comment more tongue in cheek?)
Steve
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BaileyPerformance
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| posted on 11/9/13 at 04:37 PM |
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We have mapped omex, emerald, Mbe and others and prefer megasquirt.
Megasquirt is very flexible and the turning software if very good.
We've mapped 50+ megasquirts on all sorts if engines, as the hardware and code if open to all there are thousands of testers and developers
proving every aspect, hardware and software bugs are quickly sorted. That's not to say there is anything wrong with the other Ecu manufacturers
but you get more for your money with MS.
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ali f27
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| posted on 11/9/13 at 04:52 PM |
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Hi we use DTA on ours have 2 duratecs running on them 1 road 1 race and have been spot on.
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deeceee09
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| posted on 11/9/13 at 05:21 PM |
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I can vouch for Emerald with a Duratec.
Treachery and old age will always triumph over youthful enthusiasm.
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big_wasa
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| posted on 11/9/13 at 06:17 PM |
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"a sensible choice for the ECU (without breaking the bank)"
Is very subjective. What's your budget ? Have you got a full car or have you just bought an engine ? I like the oem ecu as its very cheap and no
mapping. I haven't done a proper Durtec yet and your not that far away. 
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Autoflock Motorsport
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| posted on 11/9/13 at 11:24 PM |
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Megasquirt all the way, my friend has reached the limit with his emerald and is looking at the new vipec which seems a very good bit of kit but is
around the 900 mark, diyautotune in America can send a ready to rock top spec ecu together with its revised case. Has every feature you would ever
need, as bailey have said its a very flexible bit of kit, depending which opewrating software you choose for mapping the interface can be moved around
and adjusted so say the mapper you choose is used to omex the mapping interface can be altered to look similar, also hot keys can be used and
configures to be the same as other mapping software.
Have a work with Rick at unicorn motorsport developments as he is a tester for bowling & grippe and is always developing new features/code. He
deals typically with high end performance engine usually pushing 500+ using ecu's from 500 to 3k so he can give you the exact facts from a non
biased point of view, paying big buck doesn't always get you what you need.
hope this helps mate
http://www.diyautotune.com/
Kind regards
Raj
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/23/viewthread.php?tid=183445
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atm92484
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| posted on 12/9/13 at 12:35 AM |
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I'm running an MS3X on mine - so far I've been happy with it.
If you want to use the stock coils, keep in mind they do not have drivers so whatever ECU you get needs to be able to handle the higher current.
-Andrew
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TrophyJem
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| posted on 12/9/13 at 07:00 AM |
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Cheers for the responses. Much appreciated.
My budget is as low as possible without compromising performance.
I have the engine with direct to head throttle bodies and low profile sump etc. I need to sort ecu, flywheel/bell housing and exhaust manifold.
I'll check out the megasquirt option. It sounds very interesting.
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BaileyPerformance
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| posted on 12/9/13 at 07:41 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by TrophyJem
Cheers for the responses. Much appreciated.
My budget is as low as possible without compromising performance.
I have the engine with direct to head throttle bodies and low profile sump etc. I need to sort ecu, flywheel/bell housing and exhaust manifold.
I'll check out the megasquirt option. It sounds very interesting.
We can offer a full megasquirt install including Ecu, all wiring, new injectors, installation and mapping for £1200 with warranty.
Www.baileyperformance.co.uk
If you prefer we can map your installation for £250.
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ali f27
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| posted on 12/9/13 at 08:25 AM |
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Hi look at rwd motorsport for flywheel and bell housing can use standard pinto clutch and cable works fine on mine and cheapest way
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TrophyJem
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| posted on 12/9/13 at 08:36 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ali f27
Hi look at rwd motorsport for flywheel and bell housing can use standard pinto clutch and cable works fine on mine and cheapest way
That's interesting. I'll take a look.
Cheers
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ali f27
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| posted on 12/9/13 at 08:46 AM |
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Also can get you number for paul gardner would think about £800 for dta and loom
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Autoflock Motorsport
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| posted on 12/9/13 at 08:50 AM |
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The price off Bailey is shocking!!!
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT!!!
fantastic value and also comes with warranty, ive sourced a MS2 for my MK1 fiesta which is running a high comp st170 non VVT with throttle bodies,
cost 350 but it is has had a lot of upgrades such as anti lag, launch, boost, closed loop, coil on plug, etc etc most of which will not be used lol.
But it just goes to show what you can get and I know this has been built to a high standard, I would recommend either buying from a reputable ecu
builder or buying one which has already been checked by an competent builder complete with receipt, there are some shoddy assembler out there which is
what put a lot of tuner off MS in the first instance.
Bailey I may be giving you a shout in the near future for some parts I need, (injectors, sensors etc)
Kind regards
Raj
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/23/viewthread.php?tid=183445
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TrophyJem
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| posted on 12/9/13 at 11:42 AM |
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I want to do the install myself. Part of the fun (for me) is learning how it all works and the challenge of doing the install.
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BaileyPerformance
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| posted on 12/9/13 at 01:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Autoflock Motorsport
The price off Bailey is shocking!!!
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT!!!
fantastic value and also comes with warranty, ive sourced a MS2 for my MK1 fiesta which is running a high comp st170 non VVT with throttle bodies,
cost 350 but it is has had a lot of upgrades such as anti lag, launch, boost, closed loop, coil on plug, etc etc most of which will not be used lol.
But it just goes to show what you can get and I know this has been built to a high standard, I would recommend either buying from a reputable ecu
builder or buying one which has already been checked by an competent builder complete with receipt, there are some shoddy assembler out there which is
what put a lot of tuner off MS in the first instance.
Bailey I may be giving you a shout in the near future for some parts I need, (injectors, sensors etc)
Hi,
Give me a shout any time, injector and sensors normally in stock.
Your right, we are reasonable on price, £1200 would not buy a DTA Ecu and loom!! Mite get an omex but you would still need to install and map it.
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BaileyPerformance
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| posted on 12/9/13 at 01:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by TrophyJem
I want to do the install myself. Part of the fun (for me) is learning how it all works and the challenge of doing the install.
Understood! :-)
Give me a shout if you need any help, all advise free!!
suggest you buy your megasquirt from Phil at extra EFI, we buy all ours from Phil, never had a problem.
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beaver34
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| posted on 12/9/13 at 03:06 PM |
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i would allway use the stock ford system if you can, no matter of tuning will get the same quality as the OE mapping
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TrophyJem
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| posted on 12/9/13 at 04:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by beaver34
i would allway use the stock ford system if you can, no matter of tuning will get the same quality as the OE mapping
I do not think that's an option as I have direct to head throttle bodies and I won't have a cat etc.
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big-vee-twin
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| posted on 12/9/13 at 06:09 PM |
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I imported my MS3 V3 from DIY Autotune and built it myself very easy to do, if you take your time.
I had the luxury of being a qualified electrical/electrocincs engineer though, but I would say the instructions are very good and you test each stage
after bilding it and if you get to the end it with no probs it will all work fine.
Have plans to visit Bailey when I can aford it, he's a top guy.
Duratec Engine is fitted, MS2 Extra V3 is assembled and tested, engine running, car now built. IVA passed 26/02/2016
http://www.triangleltd.com
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Autoflock Motorsport
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| posted on 12/9/13 at 07:33 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by beaver34
i would allway use the stock ford system if you can, no matter of tuning will get the same quality as the OE mapping
I would have to disagree with that matey, if you were leaving the engine in totally standard configuration even with the std exhaust them that post
would be very valid as the oem maps have a lot of time spent on them especially things like cruise and cold start maps. But in these circumstances
things are totally opposite in respect that the engine is now working in a different environment and also working with non oem parts. Using
itb's with a standard ecu could end in tears, instead of the ecu fueling air delivered by one throttle body it has to fuel 4, this could cause
the engine to run lean, drt, melt a piston etc.
also people with these sort of car (like myself) arnt too concerned with emissions or mpg but more about getting the best performance which is full
accessable using a mapable ecu not to mention adding more safety features which a std ecu may not offer. The list is endless but if you were
refferening to the different load sites on a oem ecu then yes they are great for a road car in std trim.
Bailey - in regards to DTA, I have know this brand of ecu to struggle to the same thing twice lol also known to crash during mapping
Kind regards
Raj
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TrophyJem
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| posted on 12/9/13 at 07:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by big-vee-twin
I imported my MS3 V3 from DIY Autotune and built it myself very easy to do, if you take your time.
I had the luxury of being a qualified electrical/electrocincs engineer though, but I would say the instructions are very good and you test each stage
after bilding it and if you get to the end it with no probs it will all work fine.
Have plans to visit Bailey when I can aford it, he's a top guy.
That's very interesting. I'm an electronics engineer as well, so no problem with the assembly.
I like that idea.
I'll be contacting DIY Autotune
Cheers
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Autoflock Motorsport
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| posted on 12/9/13 at 07:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by TrophyJem
quote:
Originally posted by big-vee-twin
I imported my MS3 V3 from DIY Autotune and built it myself very easy to do, if you take your time.
I had the luxury of being a qualified electrical/electrocincs engineer though, but I would say the instructions are very good and you test each stage
after bilding it and if you get to the end it with no probs it will all work fine.
Have plans to visit Bailey when I can aford it, he's a top guy.
That's very interesting. I'm an electronics engineer as well, so no problem with the assembly.
I like that idea.
I'll be contacting DIY Autotune
Cheers
I would also consult phil as well, just incase he buys parts in bulk, he may be able to source you raw components cheaper/save on duty, just an idea
mate. If you do go this route it would be awsom if you could do an ecu assembly step by step thread, I for one would be very interested and would be
happy to donate a swift pint to you at an event ;-)
Kind regards
Raj
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beaver34
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| posted on 12/9/13 at 07:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Autoflock Motorsport
quote:
Originally posted by beaver34
i would allway use the stock ford system if you can, no matter of tuning will get the same quality as the OE mapping
I would have to disagree with that matey, if you were leaving the engine in totally standard configuration even with the std exhaust them that post
would be very valid as the oem maps have a lot of time spent on them especially things like cruise and cold start maps. But in these circumstances
things are totally opposite in respect that the engine is now working in a different environment and also working with non oem parts. Using
itb's with a standard ecu could end in tears, instead of the ecu fueling air delivered by one throttle body it has to fuel 4, this could cause
the engine to run lean, drt, melt a piston etc.
also people with these sort of car (like myself) arnt too concerned with emissions or mpg but more about getting the best performance which is full
accessable using a mapable ecu not to mention adding more safety features which a std ecu may not offer. The list is endless but if you were
refferening to the different load sites on a oem ecu then yes they are great for a road car in std trim.
Bailey - in regards to DTA, I have know this brand of ecu to struggle to the same thing twice lol also known to crash during mapping
he didnt say its wasnt a stock engine though, i did say if you could keep it then do so if not then you have no choice, im no stranger to custom
engine builds and standalone management.
allways use the management that the mapper recommends and is happy using, for a spec like this any will cover what you want, some like dta have
switching maps and traction control facility.
ive always run my engine on omex, fantastic aftersales and support, great features and other company products integrate faultlessly with it in terms
of logging and dash functions.
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