shortie
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 04:22 PM |
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HELP!! Fireblade engine won't fire!!!
Had the fireblade engine fired up a while ago and all was well. Engine has been out the car and now have it back in but it turns over but will not
fire.
Have checked for a spark and there isn't one. Checked continuity on wires and all are ok but then tried testing the pulse generator to see if
there is resistance and there is none.
I suspect it may therefore be the pulse generator but wondered if anyone else has had this issue or if anyone has any other ideas.
The only other thing is the CDI but as the manual says there should be resistance across the two pulse generator waires it tends to point to this.
Any ideas of help would be most appreciated.
thanks
Rich (very frustrated!!!!!)
[Edited on 6/2/05 by shortie]
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colibriman
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 05:20 PM |
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Rich,
I'll drop in with spares if your stuck..I'll be passing this week.
cheers
Colin
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 05:54 PM |
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What year of engine /loom is it? If its a 98/99 then check that you havent blown the resistor that sits on the pink wire in the back of the ignition
barrel. If you have then I think you'll need to solder in a new 390ohm reisistor.
Chris
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shortie
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 05:59 PM |
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Sorry should have said, it's a 1994 RRR 893 engine.
Also should have mentioned that intially the wires on the pulse gen were connected the wrong way round so maybe I have blown something!
If it does turn out to be the pulse generator then what sort of price are we looking at??
Rich.
[Edited on 6/2/05 by shortie]
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Wadders
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 06:32 PM |
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Rich
from what you describe, i'd be suprised if any of the ignition components have become faulty while stood, more likely to be something you have
missed while reconnecting everything.
Re-check all connections, chances are it will be something simple like a missed earth or dodgy plug.
Al
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shortie
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 07:13 PM |
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I know what you mean Al but I have tested all the earths and wires for continuity and they all seem to be fine.
The only thing that seemed to be not reading correctly was the resisitance across the pulse gen, obviously I can't check the CDI but no reason
why that should not work.
Rich.
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phil_far
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 07:29 PM |
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I went through this trauma as well. I had no spark. It resulted in one of the connector pins of the CDI connector that was 'open' and
closed it with a long nose plier. Also check that the engine is in neutral if you have not by passed the clutch swith. I had both conditions. Check
the fuses in the main fuse box. The pulse generator should give you a reading when cranking the engine only. I forgot the value though. Short the
green/white with green on the big connector of the clutch switch
i have a check list of all this stuff that I can e-mail it if you want. However I am more than sure that it is a wire/connector issue since I went
through the same thing.
Good luck
Philip
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colibriman
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 07:33 PM |
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As another daft thought Rich, have you checked the fuse in the starter solenoid...I think it supplies the power to the CDi.....
are you getting any power to it at all?
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Wadders
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 07:34 PM |
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dunno the first thing about blades, but on the z, the wire to the ecu (pink on a honda according to chris) that needs a resistor, has +12v going to
it , is this the case?
only reason i ask, is because i mistakenly earthed mine first time round.
Do blades also have a sidestand or neutral switch to short out?
Al.
Rich.
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phil_far
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 07:38 PM |
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Rich,
Yes they do and both need to be earthed. I sepnt three months going round in circles until I realized that the clutch swith was not actually
shorted! I was going to order anotehr CDI as even one of the local 'bike wizards' got confused.
Philip
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shortie
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 07:45 PM |
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Phil,
If you can email the list that would be great, will double check all the wiring as like most of you I reckon it is most likely to be something
silly.
Clutch\neutral & sidestand switches are earthed out the circuit, fuel cut-out relay is also not used and we've tested that it is pumping
the fuel to the engine.
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colibriman
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 07:48 PM |
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do you have power at the cdi?
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shortie
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 07:57 PM |
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I think you may be right Colin, I think in cutting out the fuel relay I may have therefore cut the power to the CDI unit, doh!!
I have put the latest wiring diagram in my photo archive, think that may be the problem!!
Any chance someone could take a look and confirm.
I'm sure it should have a feed and it hasn't as far as I can see!
ta,
Rich.
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colibriman
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 08:02 PM |
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cant find it mate...
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shortie
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 08:03 PM |
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sorry, just trying to post it, I'll link to it, hold on
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shortie
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 08:07 PM |
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Here we go
http://www.shortshouse.plus.com/WiringDiagramv8.pdf
ta,
Rich.
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colibriman
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 08:37 PM |
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right....here goes...
try this.....
there is No feed to the cdi....you need a wire from your Black ignition wire (coming from fusebox) to E2 black and white wire....
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shortie
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 09:00 PM |
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Thanks Colin,
New diagram here http://www.shortshouse.plus.com/WiringDiagramv9.pdf
Hopefully this should sort the 12v issue to the CDI.
I have also spoken to Chris Mason and discussed about the clutch diode, appears I may have to put this back in otherwise it will stall when it goes
into gear so I will look at that aswell.
Rich.
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colibriman
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 09:16 PM |
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I found also that if I didn't use the diode I had no neutral light...so maybe you should wire it as per honda.
ie light green from cdi leads to neutral switch with a branch off to the diode.
your neutral light instead goes to the diode with a green/red wire - not straight from the dash to neutral switch
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shortie
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 09:19 PM |
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Think I might do that, that is basically what Chris said, I do get a neutral from the neutral switch to the digidash but may also put a neutral light
on the dash
Really appreciate your help mate and everyone who has replied, what would I do without this forum!!!
I'll let you know how I get on tommorrow!
thanks again,
Rich.
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colibriman
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 09:25 PM |
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No problem, good to help.... now back to my late tax return
gimme a call tomorrow if your having problems...sounds like it's nearly there though
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shortie
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 09:28 PM |
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Tax returns, hate them!! did mine just before the deadline, mind you they wrote to me to say they aren't going to bother sending them to me
anymore !!
thanks again, will call you tommorrow if I have a problem.
Rich.
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colibriman
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 09:35 PM |
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once it's running all the hassle will be worth it....I took mine out for a wee dust off today... just a couple of miles...
lovely day up here again....strangely nice weather in Scotland just now....
need to get the odds and sods finished and find an SVA...
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shortie
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 10:24 PM |
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Right, updated the diagram now, will try this tommorrow and see.
Complete Wiring Diagram :- http://www.shortshouse.plus.com/WiringDiagramv10.pdf
Ignition Circuit :- http://www.shortshouse.plus.com/Ignition%20Circuit.pdf
Rich.
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shortie
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| posted on 6/2/05 at 10:25 PM |
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Colin,
Whereabouts down this way are you on Wed?
Rich.
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