pmc_3
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| posted on 6/3/05 at 05:44 PM |
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Question on converting to bike engine
Hi guys,
My Dutton currently weights in at about 650kg with Pinto and type 9 box. I reckon coverting to a bike engine should drop it to about 550kg. Is this
too heavy for a bike engined car? It will be being built on a budget so the engine is more likely to be something along the lines of a fzr1100
engine.
Also does anyone know the specs for this engine - bhp, torque and weight.
Cheers 
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 6/3/05 at 06:22 PM |
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550kgs is a bit on the heavy side, but it should be OK. Most BECs weigh around 420-500kgs so 550 isnt that far away I guess, just dont expect 0-60 in
4s or anything unless you go for a busa
Not sure on the engine, are you sure you dont mean ZZR1100, or FZR1000?
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pmc_3
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| posted on 6/3/05 at 07:54 PM |
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My error. I did mean ZZR1100. I wasnt expecting 0-60 in 4s lol, although i'd be quite happy to get to 60 in 6s or slightly less. As long as its
worth ditching the pinto for.
The 4 engines we were thinking that may do and be cheap enough are:
Kawasaki ZZR1100
Kawasaki ZX10
Yamaha FZR1000
Honda CBR1000
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 6/3/05 at 09:43 PM |
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Out of those Id say CBR1000, they seem to be bulletproof and you can pick them up for peanuts. The ZZR's seem to hold a slight premium (or did)
because Radical used em in their early cars so the racers used to snap em up.
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chunkielad
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| posted on 6/3/05 at 10:05 PM |
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But I have an FZR1000 for sale
£500 with all electrics and exhaust - will throw in frame and V5..
But a CBR would be the one I'd choose out of them all.
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Avoneer
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| posted on 6/3/05 at 10:41 PM |
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A 2ltr pinto in a 650kg car with twin carbs and fast cam should see you very low 6's or even high 5's.
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jambojeef
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| posted on 7/3/05 at 11:52 PM |
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Yeah Id agree the CBR 1000 engine is totally the way to go
You should be able to pick up a CBR 1000 engine for £400 at the most - 135bhp and fairly torquey at 78 ftlbs at 8500 rpm
Heavier than blades apparently - my mates lift-o-meter rates it at about 70 kgs!
Its a good bet in all seriousness - but I wouldnt rule out any of the kawasaki engines - Honda gearchanges are notoriously a bit harsh and my old
suzuki Gs500 had a silky smooth change compared to my CBR 600 which is a bit jerky to be honest - maybe some of the other engine/gearbox combos offer
a better change?
Good luck!
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locoboy
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| posted on 8/3/05 at 08:47 AM |
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For the £/BHP your hard pushed to beat the cbr1000 i think.
ATB
Locoboy
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tks
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| posted on 8/3/05 at 01:22 PM |
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weight
Only 100Kgs saving!!
i think its impossible...
my bike engine i can lift it myself..
soow it will weight 70Kgs... (or less not that powerfull)
with tho persons i did the installing of it.
a pinto engine with clutch flywheel, gear etc..
wouldn't it weight all togethher 220Kgs??
30 for the gearbox and clutch and 190 for the cast iron engine ??
that would be a saving of 150Kgs
TKS
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kreb
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| posted on 8/3/05 at 02:54 PM |
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With that much weight and so little flywheel effect, wouldn't around-town drivability suck? The Dutton (I assume that's it in the avatar)
doesn't appear made for the track, so around town would seem to be the priority.
Any feedback?
https://www.supercars.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/1966_FiatAbarth_1000SP1.jpg
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locoboy
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| posted on 8/3/05 at 04:35 PM |
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Mucho slippage of the clutch round town i think.
Pinto doesnt weigh that much does it, i thought it was about 120kgs
ATB
Locoboy
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pmc_3
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| posted on 8/3/05 at 06:53 PM |
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From what i've found out a Pinto and gearbox, without bell housing, starter, fluids, gear stick, clutch weighs 168kgs
The Melos doesnt look like it was made for the track, but it uses the same chassis as the Phaeton which looks a bit more like a 7. Plus its having
suspension overhaul and bigger brakes.
The plan is to do quite a lot of track days in it and it only comes out at weekends.
So, CBR1000 sounds good. What will I need for the conversion?
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Kissy
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| posted on 10/3/05 at 09:39 AM |
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Driveability with CBR1000 is excellent, extremely flexible, trick is to get the clutch weight and travel correct. The engine itself is extremely
tractable and forgiving, throttle response is instant. Having been the owner of a 2.0L Pinto engined F27 I'd say 'get on with it',
the Pinto is a boat anchor, and deserves to be where anchors normally reside. Oh and the sound of a CBR thou' on a decent exhaust revving to
10,500 is pretty good too. Any help you want just shout.
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locoboy
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| posted on 10/3/05 at 02:58 PM |
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kissy you got a pic of your clutch spacers?
Ta muchly.
ATB
Locoboy
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RogerM
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| posted on 12/3/05 at 11:33 AM |
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The Melos my be build on the latter Dutton ladder frame chassis design but it is still good fun to drive, especially if all you have to compare it
against is a Euro-box sallon or hatch.
Not the perfect track weapon but will still put a smile on the face for relatively minimal cash, even compared to the average Locost build!!
Anyway, it doesn't matter how good a red, blue and yellow paint job you did on a Locost it wouldn't look like Noddy's car, which
makes the Melos cool in it's own right!!!
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Hellfire
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| posted on 12/3/05 at 11:39 AM |
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Roger - that's the first time I've heard "Cool" and "Noddy" together in the same sentence
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