scotty g
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| posted on 28/9/05 at 03:02 PM |
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Pan-European
Hi all, i have always been on the cec side of the fence when it comes to choosing an engine for my kit but i just might be persuaded to convert. I had
a go in a Busa powered Fury a couple of weeks ago and it was a truly memorable and awesome experience.
However i'm not one for all out high rev screamers as i like my torque and my car (when completed) will not be a dedicated track day beast but
also a long weekend tourer. I live in Folkesone Kent so a few trips on the continent will definately be on the cards.
The idea of the Pan-European has real appeal to me but i know next to nothing about this engine.
How much to buy?
What else is needed?
How much power?
Pro's and cons?
Come on then, win me over!!
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andybod
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| posted on 28/9/05 at 03:08 PM |
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probably not much help but iwas thinking of the same engine in my velocity various breakers quoted around £500 for engine but a friend who races a
blade engined westfield has had a fair bit to do with the pan's advised against it i've gone zetec route but still wunder what a pan
would be like
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Brooky
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| posted on 28/9/05 at 03:23 PM |
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Stuart Taylor have long since championed the pan in the seven style car.
Pop over to Ilkeston as your only in Derbyshire, last time i was there Ian had 4 pan engines and a complete car ( a phoenix ).
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adampage
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 posted on 28/9/05 at 04:45 PM |
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i've got a Pan in a stuart taylor!
What do you want to know?
It's a bit of a compromise between the CEC and BEC - fairly torquey & sounds good, but not a screamer like a blade.
Pretty quick, but at only 120ish bhp not the fastest, but as you say you want a good cruiser this may not be a problem.
Should probably say it won't be the same as a busa though!
Adam.
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donut
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| posted on 28/9/05 at 05:30 PM |
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Building: Built RobinHood, now looking at a locost.
I see you are going up in the world
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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smart51
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| posted on 28/9/05 at 05:40 PM |
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the V4 layout is very compact. You could have a longer footwell or a shorter wheelbase if you fit a pan-european. You'll need an exhaust on
both sides or a big long pipe to join the two sides together.
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adampage
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| posted on 29/9/05 at 08:42 AM |
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Good points
I have 2 exhausts (which I think look cool, and it sounds lovely!) and the engine does have plenty of clear air around it in the engine bay, so there
would be lots of room to change things like longer footwells, etc.
Adam.
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scotty g
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| posted on 29/9/05 at 04:01 PM |
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Adampage, just been looking at your photo archive, the engine bay looks great.
I'm guessing it runs on carbs, are these the ones that came with the bike?
I like the twin exhausts, it means me and the missus can have matching leg burns!!!!!!!
What sort of power do you get? Have you got a reverse gear on yours? What sort of fuel economy are you getting compared to a cec.
Tell me about any niggles, gripes or issues you have with the Pan
Cheers. Scotty G
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 29/9/05 at 05:51 PM |
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ISTR Ian Gray saying that the Pan Euro should really be considered more as a modern alternative to a X Flow, and not really considered as an
out-an-out BEC engine in the same way as a blade / R1 / busa etc is.
For me, there are great benefits to going for a bike engine, BUT those advantages come because of the frantic nature in which it produces its power,
the silly high revs and the ultra-close ratio box. If you pick a bike engine that is a lot more sedate, then IMHO you are losing a lot of those
advantages whilst still having to live with a lot of the BEC disadvantages such as lack of proper reverse and generally weaker drivetrain.
I think if I was looking to build a car that Id do a reasonable amount of touring in yet still wanted an engine you could give a good thrashing to and
get decent performance from, Id look at something like a Toyota 4AGE engine.
Only my opinion though, not putting anyone's cars down in any way
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adampage
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| posted on 4/10/05 at 03:32 PM |
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Sorry for delay...
Scotty
To answer your points.
Standard carbs, rejetted for more power at top end
Twin exhausts - I like them!
Power about 125-130, as it's about 100 standard, then rejetted, and with a sportier ECU, and freer exhausts than on the bike
Reverse - yup, I have a quaife box, no problems, just top it up with oil, and fit a pipe on the breather to stop it spilling oil out
Economy - hard to measure, as I don't have a fuel gauge, and my mileometer is a bit flaky, but I would guess 25-30 most of the time depending on
the speed!
No real niggles, only other problem is that it's a tall engine, so even with a bonnet scoop, my sump is pretty low, so watch out for speed
bumps.
Adam.
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G.Man
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| posted on 4/10/05 at 05:14 PM |
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I reckon one of these motors would take very nicely to throttle bodies and a turbo...
hmmmmm
Opinions are like backsides..
Everyone has one, nobody wants to hear it and only other peoples stink!
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