Tim 45
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| posted on 3/1/06 at 12:09 PM |
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TV Advert
Has anyone noticed that on the wales touristboard advert, re - the signs in english, the sign at the end that says welcome to wales, the welsh version
spells wales 'Gymru', whereas the last part spells it 'Cymru'.
Maybe someone can clarify a reason, or is it a mistake?
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bigandy
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| posted on 3/1/06 at 12:19 PM |
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Hello there.
It's not a mistake. it's all to do with mutations of words. The normal word is "Cymru".
However, depending on what context the word is used in, the word before "cymru" and a few other things, the word mutates. sometimes it
goes to Gymru, sometimes to Ngymru. I think there maybe a few other mutations that are useed too. I'm not sure what they are though as am not
a fluent welsh speaker (yet!) The Welsh language is particularly mad when it comes to words changing and being spelt/pronounced differently depending
on the context/gender/preceding word etc etc... it makes learning the language particularly difficult!
cheers
Andy
Dammit! Too many decisions....
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Humbug
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| posted on 3/1/06 at 12:19 PM |
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No doubt some Welsh speaker will be able to clarify this, but I believe that Welsh nouns vary at the beginning, rather than at the end as in many
other languages, depending on the case. E.g. in Latin you have mensa (= table as a subject), mensam (= table as a direct object), mensae (= "of
the table" - you get the drift.
So, maybe Cymru means something like (welcome) "to Wales" and Gymru means (goodbye) "from Wales"?
Edit: damn! beat me to it... though it looks like I was on the right lines 
[Edited on 03.01.2006 by Humbug]
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Tim 45
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| posted on 3/1/06 at 12:22 PM |
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Thanks
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graememk
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| posted on 3/1/06 at 02:47 PM |
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stop watching so much tv and get back out in the garage
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phil m
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| posted on 3/1/06 at 04:19 PM |
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as Andy says it's a mutation . Some letters change based on the letter proceeding them. In the case of croeso i gymru -the c changes to a g as
it follows an i. In the case of the cyrmru starting with the n, this is because it was proceeded by un in the phrase !
Other letters change according to what preceeds them.
I think this is right
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tony9876
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| posted on 3/1/06 at 04:36 PM |
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Hmmm there are a few other mutations in Wales as well
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lsdweb
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| posted on 3/1/06 at 05:04 PM |
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Phil M
Just noticed where you live - I've been on this forum for over a year and didn't know there were 2 of us from Llanelli!
Regards
Wyn
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JoelP
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| posted on 3/1/06 at 06:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by lsdweb
Phil M
Just noticed where you live - I've been on this forum for over a year and didn't know there were 2 of us from Llanelli!
Regards
Wyn
over 2 years, unless my calendar is wrong
Beware! Bourettes is binfectious.
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lsdweb
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| posted on 3/1/06 at 07:34 PM |
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How time flies when you're having fun!
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