lsdweb
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| posted on 12/1/06 at 10:10 PM |
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I need a bike engine
Hi All
I've just gone and sold my Blackbird engine back to the guy I bought it from! He needed it and, as I haven't started on my chassis mods, I
can use something else. The Blackbird wasn't brilliant for sprints and hillclimbs as it was 37cc over the 1100 cc class capacity limit.
So, the hunt begins.............
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Triton
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| posted on 12/1/06 at 10:21 PM |
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Triumph Triple.....it's British and sounds as madasafish
My Daughter has taken over production of the damn fine Triton race seats and her contact email is emmatrs@live.co.uk.
www.tritonraceseats.com
www.hairyhedgehog.com
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kipper
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| posted on 12/1/06 at 11:55 PM |
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Bike engines
Blade engine for sale  see my post on this site.
Also have a Triumph tripple cheap as chips.
Regards Kipper.
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VMAX1200
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| posted on 13/1/06 at 11:50 AM |
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bike engine
hi iv got a 2003 zx12 complete kit for £1450 delivered its on e bay now
tel 01969 625141
cheers
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VMAX1200
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| posted on 13/1/06 at 11:51 AM |
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bike engine
hi iv got a 2003 zx12 complete kit for £1450 delivered its on e bay now
tel 01969 625141
cheers
or a 2005 busa kit for £2750 delivered
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G.Man
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| posted on 13/1/06 at 11:52 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by VMAX1200
hi iv got a 2003 zx12 complete kit for £1450 delivered its on e bay now
tel 01969 625141
cheers
"Blackbird wasn't brilliant for sprints and hillclimbs as it was 37cc over the 1100 cc class capacity limit. "
Opinions are like backsides..
Everyone has one, nobody wants to hear it and only other peoples stink!
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VMAX1200
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| posted on 13/1/06 at 11:57 AM |
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oooops
yes saw the 1100cc limit too late
thats why i just u2u him with zx10 engine kit for £1700
gsxr 1000 k4 or k5 kit £1400 and £1800
all delivered
v max1200
formally known as silly bugger
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lsdweb
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| posted on 13/1/06 at 01:31 PM |
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I have some questions which I'm sure will get answered (great forum!):
The engine will be mounted in the original orientation – what bike engine can be run without dry sump – I’m happy to fit alternative baffle plates but
don’t want to go to the expense of dry sump?
Hydraulic clutch would be best for me (rear engined and already with a hydraulic pedal box) - what bike engines use hydraulic?
Crank sensors – I want to use the Emerald management system because I like it so much – the Blackbird was a bit of a problem with its 12/3 crank
sensor wheel – what do other bike engines use?
What’s the best bang for buck up to 1100? I could go over that but then I’d be in the up to 1600cc class against some very expensive Busa engined
stuff (the Busa is too expensive for me)
Regards
Wyn
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the_fbi
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| posted on 13/1/06 at 04:51 PM |
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954 (rr-2, rr-3) blade engine is 150bhp and small/light.
Also no problems with oil starvation.
Cable clutch though.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 13/1/06 at 07:48 PM |
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Hi Wyn
If you want the ultimate bang for the engine capacity, you'll need to look at the lastest crop of 2004/5 litre engines such as the R1, ZX10,
CBR1000RR blade and Gixer 1000, all of should give you 170+bhp to play with, but will probably cost £1500-2k for an engine and youd need to dig around
to find out about wet sump reliability as not too many people have used them for any length of time just yet. Failing that Id go for a 2002/3 injected
R1 for £1-1.2k which will still give you around 160bhp in car trim and have been proven to only need a baffle plate to stop surge.
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lsdweb
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| posted on 13/1/06 at 08:46 PM |
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Thanks Chris
Sound advice - and I think I know where to go for a sump baffle 
Regards
Wyn
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 13/1/06 at 10:08 PM |
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Not me!
My uncle only does sump modding, chopping down deep sumps and moving drain plugs etc, not baffle plates. For a straightforward baffle which is all the
R1 would need, see Paul Rogers (progers)
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lsdweb
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| posted on 14/1/06 at 09:47 AM |
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OK - thanks Chris.
I've been offered a 2004/05 GSXR and he's also got a couple of R1's for around the same money. Decision time I think!
Wyn
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TimC
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| posted on 14/1/06 at 11:18 AM |
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IF the budget is tight I know of a CBR1000 in Cardiff which'd be yours for not a lot at all. 130bhp, good torque and a hydraulic clutch.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 14/1/06 at 01:48 PM |
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Hi Wyn
Id do a bit extra research into the Gixers before comitting, I know Stuart Taylor had issues with them on track and blew a few up and eventually dry
sumped them, but thats with the engine in the front in a north / south arrangement, so different to how you'll do it.
A good read may be the DSR Forums in the engine section, its a US forum for a sports prototype race
series with a 1L class limit so are running all the latest 1000cc engines, therefore may have some info on the various choices although a lot dry
sump anyway.
Chris
[Edited on 14/1/06 by ChrisGamlin]
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JoaoCaldeira
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| posted on 14/1/06 at 08:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by lsdweb
(..) he's also got a couple of R1's for around the same money
For how much are those R1 going?
I'd like a 02/03
Joao Caldeira
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lsdweb
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| posted on 14/1/06 at 09:19 PM |
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Hi Chris / Joao
The R1 seems to be the best option - the Ezboard is a great resource but there's so much information on there it's hard to digest!
The GSXRengine was £1000 and he reckons the R!'s will be around the same. He's trying to find me an R1 without loom, managment system etc
as I'll be building my own loom and, hopefully, using my Emerald management system.
Regards
Wyn
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 15/1/06 at 09:16 AM |
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Would it not be worth getting the loom anyway so youve got all the plugs for the engine sensors etc?
£1k sounds a very good price for an 04/05 Gixer, and if its an 04/05 R1 for the same money then thats also a very good price, even for an 02/03
its very competitive
[Edited on 15/1/06 by ChrisGamlin]
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lsdweb
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| posted on 15/1/06 at 10:39 AM |
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Hi Chris
I've just been offered a 2004 R1 from a stolen recovered bike - low mileage. This is a genuine engine, but the numbers have been ground off.
It's all police recorded (category B?) and coming from a reputable supplier. I'll probably take it with the loom etc and, as you
suggested, use what I need.
I haven't had a price as yet though!
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 15/1/06 at 10:53 AM |
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If you can get proof about the stolen recovered thing then that should be OK, from what Ive been told I believe its usually the breakers who actually
grind the numbers off not the thieves, because technically the insurance companies ask them to sell the engine parts off individually and not as a
complete running unit, so the numbers get ground off so in the event of another claim with that engine, the insurance company wouldnt know it was an
engine they had already paid out on.
Assuming you dont need one for your championship, its not as if you're going to need a number to register the car on the road etc, so should be
fine, and from what Ive seen the 04/05 sump looks very similar to the earlier engines so the readily available sump baffles may well be a direct fit.
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the_fbi
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| posted on 15/1/06 at 12:20 PM |
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quote:
Assuming you dont need one for your championship, its not as if you're going to need a number to register the car on the road etc
Hypothetically speaking, how would one go about registering the car for the road, if one only had a partial or no engine number?
[Edited on 15/1/06 by the_fbi]
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 15/1/06 at 01:08 PM |
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As far as I know, you can stamp one on yourself, it doesnt technically have to be the one the manufacturer puts on for SVA/Registration purposes but
it might raise suspicions if you were ever stopped and it was spotted by the plod and you couldnt provide documented evidence that it wasnt simply
stolen
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lsdweb
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| posted on 15/1/06 at 01:34 PM |
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Thanks Chris
I don't need an engine number for the championhsip and, if I ever contemplated registering the single seater for the road, an engine number
would the least of my problems!
The one thing that may stop me using the R1 is the ability to use my Powertec diff - this needs a fair bit of space around the sprocket area -
I've tried to find photos on this site of this part of the R1 but had no luck so far.
Regards
Wyn
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 15/1/06 at 01:59 PM |
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I'll have a look this evening to see if I have any from my conversion, although it is true that the R1 is more compact in the gearbox area
because it has a vertically stacked gearbox rather than the more normal horizontally laid out boxes in most other engines.
Chris
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 15/1/06 at 02:02 PM |
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In the meantime this page on the DSR site may help, its of an earlier engine but the bottom
half looks quite similar to the later engines from what Ive seen.
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