scotty g
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| posted on 25/7/07 at 05:11 PM |
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V-twin
hi all, a mate of mine has decided to go BEC!
he wants to be a little different from most of you and has bought a Suzuki TL 1000R, rather than a 4pot this beastie is a V-Twin, he's already
taken it out and is getting ready to offer it up in to position but one thing is worrying him.
He is a bit worried about potential oil surge problems, does anyone here have any experience with these motors? will it be a problem?
Cheers.
scotty.
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MikeR
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| posted on 25/7/07 at 05:13 PM |
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Speak to NS Dev on here. he's building a twin V-Twin monster (for grass track racing).
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Catpuss
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| posted on 25/7/07 at 06:20 PM |
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On kit car crisis (was on, on Sunday) the guy gets taken out in a car powered by a TL Thou.
Stonking motor, a bit like an off/on switch power wise when in a bike but should be good for a BEC.
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Coose
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| posted on 25/7/07 at 07:27 PM |
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I've seen a couple of front-engined, rwd TL-powered cars before though I'm not sure what they've had to do (if anything) regarding
oil surge.
For what it's worth, a late 'S' (98-on) motor is fitter than an 'R'....
Spin 'er off Well...
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billynomates
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| posted on 25/7/07 at 08:29 PM |
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Used to have a TL1000s (year 2000 model), and have often wondered why the motors aren't often used in bec's.
Ok you lose a bit of power but the torque goes up, which surely should make them better in traffic / at the lights etc.
Not a BEC expert, but final gearing will need adjusting from a 4 pot engine I would think, due to the lower redline.
And don't forget the straight through exhaust for making a right feckin din when you go for a blat.
As for oil surge, due to the tendency for v twins to want to turn into uni-cycle's I would think the manufacturers would have put a good deal of
thought and design into oiling systems.
But I could be wrong.
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Catpuss
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| posted on 25/7/07 at 09:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by billynomatesAs for oil surge, due to the tendency for v twins to want to turn into uni-cycle's I would think the
manufacturers would have put a good deal of thought and design into oiling systems.
But I could be wrong.
You'd think so. Although my mate's Duc seized its engine when going round a roundabout (IIRC) at which point he found the oil pickup was
being starved and the engine seized. He did have a tendancy to do lots of leaned over laps.
TL engines are pretty bullet proof. I guess the early engines would have sufferred from cam chain problems if anything as Suzuki did have a few issues
with cam chains across a few of there bikes around the late 90's (I think from supplier quality problems).
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pathfinder
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| posted on 26/7/07 at 04:01 PM |
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I think you would struggle to get a 90° v into a seven type car, my Aprilia rsv 60° motor is a tight fit and the prop only just clears. The aprilia
also has a dry sump so quids in!
There are a few photos in my archive if your interested
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scotty g
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| posted on 26/7/07 at 04:08 PM |
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He now has the engine offered up into position in the chassis and it seems to fit a treat, no clearance issues plus a sh1t load of space in front of
it, will try to get a piccy or two tomorrow for you all.
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scotty g
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| posted on 30/7/07 at 04:38 PM |
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here's a pic of the engine in place, look how much room there is!!!!!!
 
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scotty g
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| posted on 30/7/07 at 04:40 PM |
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And another
 
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Coose
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| posted on 30/7/07 at 07:00 PM |
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The only real issue with a TL lies with the early 'S' - the crankcase can break around the gearbox sprocket. As yours is an
'R' it should be fine!
It's a surprisingly good fit! 
Spin 'er off Well...
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MikeR
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| posted on 31/7/07 at 05:02 PM |
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i'd look at improving the engine bay triangulation - you might as well as you've got the room.
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chockymonster
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| posted on 31/7/07 at 05:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
i'd look at improving the engine bay triangulation - you might as well as you've got the room.
Or fit two
PLEASE NOTE - Responses on Forum Threads may contain Sarcasm and may not be suitable for the hard of Thinking.
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iank
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| posted on 1/8/07 at 09:57 AM |
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While it would probably look odd I'm surprised no one has tried lopping out 6inches of engine bay on a BEC (or 12" on a V-Twin for a
weight saving and a more go-kart feel.
On a more serious note I'm building a middy based on a transverse engine (car is designed for an A-series). I'd like to have a go making
it a BEC but don't have the length of engine bay to do a chain drive diff. Could a TL be mated to a conventional diff transaxle stylee? I seem
to remember there was a mid engine fury that did something similar with a super short prop, but if they could be bolted up using some kind of adaptor
plate it would be better.
Though thinking about the complexity it might have to wait in line with all the other mad ideas
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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bjw970s
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| posted on 14/10/07 at 09:34 PM |
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Hi, If you e-mail me I will put you in touch with the guy whose V-twin car featured in Kit-Car crisis.
Having raced with him it goes and sounds awesome!!!
He is happy to answer any questions on the car build - he is now in his 4th season of racing it!!!!!
Brian
[Edited on 14/10/07 by bjw970s]
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dilley
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| posted on 4/7/10 at 11:42 PM |
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Guys, one of you must know the measurement for the tl engine?? or chassis width?
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