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akumabito - 31/10/06 at 07:37 PM

I'm probably going to move to Thailand in about 6 months, and I want to start my own Locost build there eventually. Does anyone have any ideas for possible donor vehicles that can be found there? There's a lot of Japanese cars out, but the vast majority of those are FWD. And I don't think using the Toyota Hilux would be a good idea for a Locost..

Any suggestions, or would I be better off building a FWD-based middy?


stevec - 31/10/06 at 07:54 PM

What about this?
http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:QgAGSFOlqri-VM:http://www.tug.org.in/tug2002/final-images/48-Rickshaw.jpg


JackNco - 31/10/06 at 08:09 PM

ARE U FUCKING CRAZY!

ive been to Thailand a few times and the last thing ide want to be in would be a small open top, easily damaged car. ull last about 3 minutes on a busy road!

Where abouts are you moving to?

John

[Edited on 31/10/06 by JackNco]


JackNco - 31/10/06 at 08:12 PM

BTW the most common car over there is a toyota pickup... i dunno about a 7 but maybe a cobra based on one? Audi are getting a bit common over there i think, my uncle lives there n hes got a shiny new A4.


akumabito - 31/10/06 at 08:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by JackNco
ARE U FUCKING CRAZY!

ive been to Thailand a few times and the last thing ide want to be in would be a small open top, easily damaged car. ull last about 3 minutes on a busy road!

Where abouts are you moving to?

John

[Edited on 31/10/06 by JackNco]


hahah, no worries, I'm gonna be faaaar away from the craziness of Bangkok. I'll be on Koh Samui..


JackNco - 31/10/06 at 08:24 PM

LOL GOOD!

Ive never been to that island but i reckon ur best bet would be to look out for an MX5 although ull e paying WAY over the odds for one of them over there.

Whats you reason for moving over there anyway


ettore bugatti - 31/10/06 at 08:37 PM

Toyota Kijang


JackNco - 31/10/06 at 08:45 PM

ooh thats a doozy !


akumabito - 31/10/06 at 08:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by JackNco
LOL GOOD!

Ive never been to that island but i reckon ur best bet would be to look out for an MX5 although ull e paying WAY over the odds for one of them over there.

Whats you reason for moving over there anyway


I'll be getting married to my Thai girlfriend..
Got a baby on the way and everything..


Johnmor - 31/10/06 at 09:58 PM

Nissan 200 SX

get a tubo and rear wheel drive,

thats the way to go.

Was in koh Samui in May, cheap beer , good food and nice hotel.

good luck



Sacal - 1/11/06 at 01:13 AM

quote:
Originally posted by akumabitoI'll be getting married to my Thai girlfriend..
Got a baby on the way and everything..


Congratulations mate, enjoy building your car in the sun The best of luck to all 3 of you


JackNco - 1/11/06 at 07:24 AM

Congrats M8, My uncles got him self a little family over there now ull love it, he does!

John


JackNco - 1/11/06 at 07:27 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Johnmor
Nissan 200 SX

get a tubo and rear wheel drive,

thats the way to go.

Was in koh Samui in May, cheap beer , good food and nice hotel.

good luck





LOL Not likely over there. Be like rocking horse shit! unless u want a 97/98ish onwards in which case they will be worth loads over there.

There are no middle of the road car over there, either ur earning nothing in which case u have a pick up or your worth LOADS and have something a bit to nice to chop up as a donon..... im trying to think what all the taxis are over there???

Im thinking Scorpio for some reason


kiwirex - 1/11/06 at 08:36 AM

I reckon the toyota lite-ace van will be the thing.

In fact, I think it'll be the next ford escort in the kit car game.

It's rwd, it's got a toyota engine, which go forever and loads of upgrades and the front uprights just about do the job.

I think saker cars use them
http://www.saker.co.nz/works.html
(could be wrong).

the bit that goes forward from the upright to the steering rack bolts on, and if you want to use y shaped wishbones you'll have to get something fabricated up (the liteace native comes down so the balljoint is level with the bottom ball joint) and probably NDT'd to show they're safe for the road.

Should be a few liteaces over there?

Cheers,

Greg H


akumabito - 1/11/06 at 01:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by JackNco
quote:
Originally posted by Johnmor
Nissan 200 SX

get a tubo and rear wheel drive,

thats the way to go.

Was in koh Samui in May, cheap beer , good food and nice hotel.

good luck





LOL Not likely over there. Be like rocking horse shit! unless u want a 97/98ish onwards in which case they will be worth loads over there.

There are no middle of the road car over there, either ur earning nothing in which case u have a pick up or your worth LOADS and have something a bit to nice to chop up as a donon..... im trying to think what all the taxis are over there???

Im thinking Scorpio for some reason



You're absolutely right, there's hardly any "normal" cars about. Especially in a place like Koh Samui, where you basically either have the poor construction workers, or the relatively wealthy shop/restaurant owners and the expats. Indeed there's not much in between beaten up pick-up trucks and classy new sedans... and the taxi's are mostly late-year Toyota Corolla's.


akumabito - 1/11/06 at 01:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by kiwirex
I reckon the toyota lite-ace van will be the thing.

In fact, I think it'll be the next ford escort in the kit car game.

It's rwd, it's got a toyota engine, which go forever and loads of upgrades and the front uprights just about do the job.

I think saker cars use them
http://www.saker.co.nz/works.html
(could be wrong).

the bit that goes forward from the upright to the steering rack bolts on, and if you want to use y shaped wishbones you'll have to get something fabricated up (the liteace native comes down so the balljoint is level with the bottom ball joint) and probably NDT'd to show they're safe for the road.

Should be a few liteaces over there?

Cheers,

Greg H


Hmm, LiteAces are actually pretty common. They're a popular choice for little shuttle-busses. I believe they are quite low on power though, about 85 to 100Hp or so. The majority are also diesels..

The Toyota HiAce is also pretty abundant, although a fair bit more expensive. Earlier models have a 2 liter engine with about 110Hp, late models have a 2.4l engine with 120Hp.


JackNco - 1/11/06 at 01:37 PM

If its not something you can fit 15 families on then they don't see the point over there.

Its a pure tool over there

And i wouldn't get ANYTHING made up for you. get ur self a *balanced* Prop shaft over there n bye bye kneecaps!

Exhausts maybe. and be VERY careful buying an engine. the police wll not take kindly to a forang (thai for forrener ) having a stolen engine.

How much have you got to spend BTW? if you dont mind me asking. might be worth buying a second hand mac1 or MK and shipping it over.

John


akumabito - 1/11/06 at 01:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by JackNco
If its not something you can fit 15 families on then they don't see the point over there.

Its a pure tool over there

And i wouldn't get ANYTHING made up for you. get ur self a *balanced* Prop shaft over there n bye bye kneecaps!

Exhausts maybe. and be VERY careful buying an engine. the police wll not take kindly to a forang (thai for forrener ) having a stolen engine.

How much have you got to spend BTW? if you dont mind me asking. might be worth buying a second hand mac1 or MK and shipping it over.

John


I can not import a car to Thailand, they have this silly rule that ANY foreign-built car has to pay a 200% import duty on the original showroom value of the car, plus VAT over that total amount. It makes no sense whatsoever,and it's one of the reasons why the offer of vehicles is so limited, you basically just find vehicles that have been built in Thai factories.

If I'd buy a Mk for 6k, I'd have to pay 12k in import duties, plus VAT over 18k!

Anyways, I'm not sure if it's even possible to build your own vehicle under Thai law, although I suspect it is (seeing the miraculous vehicles that you sometimes encounter on the roads there, lol!) I'm just brainstorming about the possibilities really..


JackNco - 1/11/06 at 01:54 PM

Why not buy a part build n register it over there, then its a thai build?


akumabito - 1/11/06 at 02:04 PM

That would be an option, though shipping would still cost an arm and a leg..

I've also thought about going down the BEC route, as sportsbikes are fairly common, and get crashed all the time (you can rent a Hayabusa for about 15 to 20 quid a day, and many rental agencies don't even check your license.) BEC engines should be quite easy to find. Though a BEC still would not solve any problems with regards to uprights, brakes, etc. It would be much easier to find a single donor vehicle.

On the other hand, I'd much prefer a BEC in this situation. The island is quite mountainous, and even while traveling the relatively level ring-road, most vehicles have to shift way back to second or even first gear to make it up the hills. I don't think a BEC would be long lived under those situations. Poor quality fuel is another obstacle, seriously, I don't know how they keep all those bikes running sometimes!

Oh well... I guess if I can't work something out I'll start messing about with those Suzuki Samurais! (or Suzuki Sporty as they're called there, basically a LWB Samurai)


JackNco - 1/11/06 at 02:09 PM

is it technically a car b4 theres an engine in it, u could always buy one pull the engine out n then buy a hayabusa over there. i still reckon a rolling chassis would be the best bet, even if u have to grease the wheels with the port officials if you know what i mean. ill get mum 2 ask my uncle if he can find out any details for you.


akumabito - 1/11/06 at 02:58 PM

Well, I'm now also looking into vehicles such as the NCF Outbak [LINK] . Although I love the Locosts, in all fairness, a vehicle such as the Outbak would probably be more suited to the circumstances there. Vitara's are quite plentiful, so there shouldn't be much of a problem in that respect either.. then there's just the matter of getting a kit shipped to Thailand..

Perhaps they'd be willing to sell the drawings so I could have the parts manufactured locally.. (wishful thinking, I know)


JackNco - 1/11/06 at 04:07 PM

May as well get a jeep!


JackNco - 1/11/06 at 04:13 PM

what about VW buggy, those things are everywhere!


akumabito - 1/11/06 at 04:13 PM

quote:
Originally posted by JackNco
May as well get a jeep!


Where's the fun in that?


JackNco - 1/11/06 at 04:22 PM

http://www.phuket-info.com/forums/expats/14283-2-automotive-needs.html

Check that out, few guys on there on about building a dune buggy, bet they can help you

John


JackNco - 1/11/06 at 04:29 PM

http://www.phuket-info.com/forums/expats/17435-2nd-hand-car-market.html

That shoud prove useful, discusion about the second hand car market in thailand, be warned these are all expats so there view of the thais is that they are dumb pesants by the looks of things


akumabito - 1/11/06 at 06:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by JackNco
http://www.phuket-info.com/forums/expats/17435-2nd-hand-car-market.html

That shoud prove useful, discusion about the second hand car market in thailand, be warned these are all expats so there view of the thais is that they are dumb pesants by the looks of things


hahah, just browsing through that now... very recognizable! I remember looking for used cars at some dealerships 'just for fun' during my last trip to the island, and I was amazed to see the variety in prices! It really is more than worth the effort to shop around! Sometimes you'd see 15 year old cars for sale with as-new prices, and sometimes you'd see 5 year old vehicles being sold for a couple hundred quid.. I guess it's just weird like that

On the other hand, I've heard from a Thai friend that he knows a Land Rover Series 3 SWB for sale, apparently it's in 'ok condition' (whatever that may mean in Thailand, LOL!) and the owner is looking for only a couple hundred quid.. tempting, tempting!


JackNco - 1/11/06 at 07:12 PM

The Thais are very strange people. no offence to UR GF but they have odd customs..... or just different. i do love the cars there though. although OK condition is probably

3 out of 4 wheels present and one door


akumabito - 1/11/06 at 08:53 PM

They're an interesting lot alright...

I wish I could use a dumptruck for donor. On Samui the drivers always seem to insist on doing 140km/h downhill with a fully loaded dumptruck.. they land on their side all the time, I passed one laying next to the road on a nearly weekly basis..

Perhaps I should go down the 'Monster Garage' route and build a truck-based trike.. it would definitely fit in with the Thai styling thing..




[Edited on 1/11/06 by akumabito]


JackNco - 1/11/06 at 09:05 PM

Guess its the whole budist thing, if its my day to die n all that.

I can remember our taxi plowing through neat petrol covering 3 lanes of the road when one one of the fools jack knifed there truck .......... carrying 2 trailer loads of petrol.


akumabito - 1/11/06 at 09:25 PM

Hahahah, yeah.. ya know the most important Thai expression is "mai pen rai" (roughly translated as 'nevermind', it's so useful for pretty much every situation..

Fortunately traffic on Samui isn't quite as hectic. The roads are worse than in Bangkok though. Especially during the rainy season, it used to happen quite frequently that whole areas got washed away. (probably the best reason not to stick with the idea of a Locost, lol!)


JackNco - 1/11/06 at 09:42 PM

u can do locost nust not a 7, i still reckon a VW Buggy is ur best bet


Peteff - 2/11/06 at 10:43 AM

Australian buggy with bike power, you could probably import it a bit at a time as it's not as far away.
Or you could try one of Rorty's plans for a two seater, you'd probably get a few more in and a couple of chickens if you really tried.

[Edited on 2/11/06 by Peteff]


locost_bryan - 14/12/06 at 02:57 AM

Mitsi or Mazda vans and pickups use most of the same components as their cars :-

Mitsi L200/L300 uses same 2.0 engine, gearbox and diff as old rwd Sigma/Sapporo/Lancer.

Mazda Bongo E2000 uses same engine, gearbox and diff as rwd 626.

Suzuki vans are another possibility - all-alloy 1.0 or 1.3, light gearbox and rear axle - easily upgraded with cam and carb for 100+ hp.


JackNco - 14/12/06 at 08:20 AM

i still think a beach buggy is your best bet over there