Totally deserved - top driver, top bloke! Alonso has definitely cemented his reputation as a cock though.. crying about the fact that the car in front won't magically move out the way.. that only works if it's Massa, mate.
Vettel has won 4 points clear of Alonso. Top man.
Amazing!!!! Totally deserved - top driver, top bloke!
Alonso has definitely cemented his reputation as a cock though.. crying about the fact that the car in front won't magically move out the way..
that only works if it's Massa, mate.
So relieved it's not Alonso!
quote:
Originally posted by bitsilly
So relieved it's not Alonso!
Not that I like Vettel more than any other driver, just don't like Alonso
I want to buy Petrov a pint. So glad its not Alonso..
can someone tell eddie jordan to stop inappropriately touching everyone he interviews? Hes slapped one guy in the face, held anothers hand and stroked an arm!
I'm glad Vettel won, it's a shame that it wasn't Button or Hamilton. I also feel for Webber as this was probably the closest he'll
get to being champion.
Did anyone see Alonso shake his fist at Petrov? Sad, just sad.
Kind regards
John
Sad as Webber didn't win it.
Fantastic race! Was it just me who kept working out what needed to happen for Hamilton to win the championship?
I think Vettel deserved it more than anyone else this season. Alonso is just an idiot. Shaking his hand at Petrov is just proof. What did he think
Petrov was just going to move over for him? Did he also think that Kubica and Rosberg would also do the same?
quote:
Originally posted by simonwinn
I want to buy Petrov a pint. So glad its not Alonso..
Also disgusted with RBR team as 5 laps before the end told Webber to push.
What about the rest of the laps?
Simple, Alonso's a NOB!!!!
I,m thinking of getting a T shirt printed with
"Petrov is quicker than YOU !"
and sending it to Alonso .........payback time
cheers
andy
Anyone other than Alonso!
To quote Anthony Davidson: "Alonso- the driver people love to hate"
And I'm sure people'll love him all the more for how he acted towards Petrov!
Lewis for 2011!!!!
cheers,
James
[Edited on 14/11/10 by James]
In my view, Vettel is champion by 11 points.
4 points according to the points table, plus the 7 that Alonso should never have got at Hockenheim.
Vettel is a worthy champion, and like Hamilton this won't be the last time we see him win a championship.
Ah, the Alonso haters are in full flow I see... 
Firstly, well done to Red Bull who clearly had the fastest car all year long. It's a shame McLaren couldn't challenge them a bit more than
they did even with the two most recent WDC's at their disposal. Must be disappointing for a team with probably the best technical resource in the
paddock. As for Ferrari, they have had a good second half of the season but it is clear that Alonso is driving the car beyond its true capability and
Massa is either at or below the real potential of himself and the car. Everyone goes on about the 7 points which Massa conceded but it is clear that
Massa has done no favours for Alonso in terms of taking points away from the competition. Today if he had got in front of Webber at the first tyre
stop then Alonso wouldn't have felt the need to cover him off and would probably have won by staying on the same strategy as the leaders. Alonso
needs a stronger team mate and I for one would like to see Mark Webber being that team mate next year. Alternatively Rosberg.
Vettel has done a great job in terms of pure speed but in my opinion Mark deserved the WDC more and I feel really sorry for him. It would be nice to
see a driver overcoming obvious team prejudice for a change. I used to like Vettel but I've completely gone off him this year due to some of his
antics and arrogance. Unlike those blinded by hatred for Alonso though, I still have respect for him as a drivers which is what should be important in
F1 racing. This isn't a popularity contest and 'nice guys' often come last! Hamilton is regaining some of my respect as he is maturing
and perhaps Vettel will too in time. The only thing which is bugging me these days with Hamilton is his incessant whining about his tyres. He is
clearly spending too much time with Button! He should just shut up and get on and drive the car in my opinion. He is also very quick to blame his car
or his team unlike Alonso who refused to blame Ferrari at the end of this race even though EJ and DC seemed to think it was a clear strategy failure
from Ferrari. See http://planet-f1.com/news/3213/6506804/Alonso-Refuses-To-Blame-Ferrari
As for Alonso vs Petrov, it was simply a combination of a Renault with good straight line speed and a track which doesn't encourage overtaking.
Hamilton lost any chance to win the race due to getting stuck behind the other Renault even though the McLaren was supposedly the fastest car in a
straight line with the F-duct. At the end when Alonso was having a "chat" with Petrov, none of us know exactly what this was about and so we
should not assume that it was simply due to Petrov generally getting in the way of his title chances. In fact, Alonso alluded to a specific incident
in his (very calm and magnanimous) interview with the BBC where he felt that Petrov cut him off in an unsportsmanlike manner. Since the TV footage
didn't follow the Alonso-Petrov battle for every corner we may never know. Of course that won't stop the haters from drawing their own
conclusions according to their own agendas...
One final thing which I've said before. Do we really want emotionless automatons in F1 or do we want people to get upset and throw tantrums or
helmets? Do we not want rivalries between drivers a la Prost/Senna? Do we not want to see drivers physically exhausted and crying on the podium? Do we
not want straight talking aussie's telling it like it is? Personally, I want this sort of drama and people like Alonso who have something called
"a personality" make F1 interesting. Long may it continue!
Looking forward to next year already!
[Edited on 14/11/2010 by craig1410]
Alonso's STILL a NOB!!! Nuf said.
Well done to Sebastion and Red Bull, would have liked Webber to win but at the end of the day/season the best driver won. Christian Horner and Adrian Newy took on the big boys and won, the whinging Whitmarsh and the chuckle brothers of Maclaren will just have to try harder.
quote:
Originally posted by myke pocock
Alonso's STILL a NOB!!! Nuf said.
Have to say as much as i wanted Lewis to win the race, i think the right outcome happened
ie Alonso didn't win the champoinship
you can't blaim the fact he didn't have a stronger team mate he couldn't cope with lewis in the same team
alonso needs a team for himself sad but true!
quote:
Originally posted by simonwinn
I want to buy Petrov a pint. So glad its not Alonso..
5 world champions line up next year (?) - has that happened before ?
quote:
Originally posted by Johneturbo
Have to say as much as i wanted Lewis to win the race, i think the right outcome happened
ie Alonso didn't win the champoinship
you can't blaim the fact he didn't have a stronger team mate he couldn't cope with lewis in the same team
alonso needs a team for himself sad but true!
quote:
Originally posted by LBMEFM
Well done to Sebastion and Red Bull, would have liked Webber to win but at the end of the day/season the best driver won. Christian Horner and Adrian Newy took on the big boys and won, the whinging Whitmarsh and the chuckle brothers of Maclaren will just have to try harder.
quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
Ah, the Alonso haters are in full flow I see...
Firstly, well done to Red Bull who clearly had the fastest car all year long. It's a shame McLaren couldn't challenge them a bit more than they did even with the two most recent WDC's at their disposal. Must be disappointing for a team with probably the best technical resource in the paddock.
<snip>
Vettel has done a great job in terms of pure speed but in my opinion Mark deserved the WDC more and I feel really sorry for him. It would be nice to see a driver overcoming obvious team prejudice for a change. I used to like Vettel but I've completely gone off him this year due to some of his antics and arrogance. Unlike those blinded by hatred for Alonso though, I still have respect for him as a drivers which is what should be important in F1 racing. This isn't a popularity contest and 'nice guys' often come last! Hamilton is regaining some of my respect as he is maturing and perhaps Vettel will too in time. The only thing which is bugging me these days with Hamilton is his incessant whining about his tyres. He is clearly spending too much time with Button! He should just shut up and get on and drive the car in my opinion. He is also very quick to blame his car or his team unlike Alonso who refused to blame Ferrari at the end of this race even though EJ and DC seemed to think it was a clear strategy failure from Ferrari. See http://planet-f1.com/news/3213/6506804/Alonso-Refuses-To-Blame-Ferrari
<snip>
One final thing which I've said before. Do we really want emotionless automatons in F1 or do we want people to get upset and throw tantrums or helmets? Do we not want rivalries between drivers a la Prost/Senna? Do we not want to see drivers physically exhausted and crying on the podium? Do we not want straight talking aussie's telling it like it is? Personally, I want this sort of drama and people like Alonso who have something called "a personality" make F1 interesting. Long may it continue!
Looking forward to next year already!
[Edited on 14/11/2010 by craig1410]
More drama the better! Seeing a James Hunt type rolling up
the to race, sweating vodka and with a bird or 2 on each arm would be brilliant... but sadly those days are gone as someone like that just isn't
going to win many races. The professional is far more likely to get a drive as they can be relied upon by the team! Shame really! I'm sure it'll be 20x 1-2 for Mclaren with Lewis taking the WDC
at the last race! Hi James,
Thanks for your kind words - it doesn't surprise me that we agree on many aspects of F1 because I think we are F1 fans in the true sense and both
recognise that although drivers come and go and teams rise an fall, F1 keep going, and changing.
It's interesting to hear your comments on McLaren not quite rising to meet the promise of their potential and your comments about British
sportsmen perhaps not having the same spirit as other nations. I agree with this completely and actually I think this was also a considerable factor
behind Alonso not gelling within McLaren. We have seen some insight into the McLaren technology centre with David Coulthard and Jenson Button and I
have to say, it looks like a completely soul-less place! It is very shiny and impressive in one sense but it lacks any sense of history or passion. It
is too clinical in my view.
Contrast this with Maranello where history and passion oozes from every corner of the factory. I think that being an emotional spaniard with latin
temperament, Alonso will feel far more at home in Ferrari than he ever would in McLaren. I think that even on a bad day when tempers are raised, the
Italians in Ferrari will be better equipped to understand and handle the emotions of Alonso when they need to. I don't think that Ron Dennis was
so well equipped to handle this with his almost OCD approach to team management and this was probably the catalyst for the split.
Next year will be fascinating with the adjustable rear wings and KERS back in play. I just wish they would bring back refuelling too to make the races
more interesting. Hopefully the rear wing and KERS will permit overtaking but if not then races like Abu Dhabi will be as frustrating as they we saw
today. Regardless of the result I felt that the race today was an anti-climax. I wanted to see Hamilton fighting Vettel and Alonso fighting Webber. I
didn't want to see mid-field runners getting in the way like they did. Of course those who don't fully understand F1 will say that Hamilton
and Alonso should have found a way past if they are so good but as you know, this is far from easy on a track like Abu Dhabi with the current cars.
Clearly if Hamilton and Alonso can't overtake a Renault when the WDC is directly at stake then I think we can safely assume that it is simply not
possible. From my own experience, it's hard enough to overtake cleanly on a go-kart track with no aero issues to deal with!
a boring race......
i have to say it would have been much better , if all the pratoganists were racing each other and not stuck behind mid table cars .
i can sympathise with alonso getting frustrated stuck behind petrov , and lewis behind kubica , deprived us all of some real pressure being applied up
front .
cant say im fussed with vettel winning , hes made mistakes like everybody else this season , i suppose if webber didnt bin it in korea hed probably be
world champion .
Also Alonso wouldnt of been so close if he didnt have "team orders" in germany. A great season all in all though looking foward to the next.
Doing silverstone and driving to SPA next year in the old MGB Should be good!
Got to give it to you Craig you're certainly consistent in supporting your man.
Didn't like Alonso's arm waving at Petrov no matter what his frustration, Ferrari messed up today that's not Petrov's fault or
problem, lacked a bit of class IMO. It's a shame in many ways that he rubs so many people up the wrong way because not many people question his
ability, he has dragged that Ferrari into contention when probably it wasn't good enough this year but he won't have won over anybody with
that arm waving stuff today.
Like many I would have liked to see Webber win the title today but to be honest he's probably no better than 6th best, certainly behind Alonso,
Hamilton Kubica, Button, probably Sutil, so maybe I wanted the 6th best driver to win the WDC?
Did the right bloke win, probably (just), would he have been my choice, no not really although he did seem to be genuinely emotional when he realised
he'd done it, that's good in my book.
[Edited on 14/11/10 by norfolkluego]
quote:
Originally posted by norfolkluego
Got to give it to you Craig you're certainly consistent in supporting your man.
Didn't like Alonso's arm waving at Petrov no matter what his frustration, Ferrari messed up today that's not Petrov's fault or problem, lacked a bit of class IMO. It's a shame in many ways that he rubs so many people up the wrong way because not many people question his ability, he has dragged that Ferrari into contention when probably it wasn't good enough this year but he won't have won over anybody with that arm waving stuff today.
Like many I would have liked to see Webber win the title today but to be honest he's probably no better than 6th best, certainly behind Alonso, Hamilton Kubica, Button, probably Sutil, so maybe I wanted the 6th best driver to win the WDC?
Did the right bloke win, probably (just), would he have been my choice, no not really although he did seem to be genuinely emotional when he realised he'd done it, that's good in my book.
[Edited on 14/11/10 by norfolkluego]
They are all whiny brats who want to win. It is remarkable that they appear as likeable as they do sometimes, with all the attention they get. I
thought it was a great race, with more possible outcomes than any in recent memory.
I still think Alonso is the best pure racing driver out there, but he didn't put enough points up to win. We don't have to like him as a
public personality to see that.
quote:
Originally posted by RK
They are all whiny brats who want to win. It is remarkable that they appear as likeable as they do sometimes, with all the attention they get. I thought it was a great race, with more possible outcomes than any in recent memory.
I still think Alonso is the best pure racing driver out there but he didn't put enough points up to win. We don't have to like him as a public personality to see that.
Boring F1 circus
Give me WRC or Moto GP anyday