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What's the fastest car I could get for £1000 - £1500?
Steve Hignett - 17/4/12 at 07:16 PM

Hi All,

As above really...
A Ferrari 430 came down the road I work on giving it absolute beans. Ignoring the fact that it's only 40 limits and he was probably closer to 140, it did sound awesome when going for it. And just started me thinkin as to which car I could with a genuinely minuscule budget that would be entertaining to drive fast.

It would have to be a compromise I'm afraid... (doesn't everything nowadays!)

1. 4 seats
2. Not shocking on fuel (when not driving like a lunatic)
3. £1000-1500 as above, as I won't have a budget for a new car for ages...
4. Probably a host of other things that I'd need to compromise on having a 2 year I'd!
5. But I do only have to drive 8 miles to work...
6. Erm that's all I can think of right now!

So what would you guys pick?

The only thing that came to my mind is a mk4 golf gti or seat Leon cupra etc (trying to keep it as modern as possible for the money as I won't be able afford to maintain a car that was going to go wrong every month...

Thanks in advance, for your suggestions!

Steve

[Edited on 19/4/12 by Steve Hignett]

afj - 17/4/12 at 07:22 PM

subaru imprezza not everyones cup of tea but cheap fast family friendly and strong

eta just one problem finding a good unmolested one in budget

[Edited on 17/4/12 by afj]

flak monkey - 17/4/12 at 07:22 PM

Leon Cupras at that sort of money will be a high miler, but you might find a good one, and they are reliable enough, silly cheap to tune to high power levels. Fun to drive as well. They do average about 30mpg

You could get a mk1 Mitsy GTO, which are also great fun, sound nice too with the twin turbo V6. Mine averaged about 25mpg. You wont get much quicker for the money though, ~6.5sec to 60 in stock form. 4WD too. Only 2 doors, but 4 seat, get 2 kids in the back easy.

[Edited on 17/4/12 by flak monkey]

owelly - 17/4/12 at 07:23 PM

Ooo, it could be like a competition for a motoring mag where you have to buy or build a car for under £1000 and see which is the fastest.....

CRAIGR - 17/4/12 at 07:29 PM

Saab

sebastiaan - 17/4/12 at 07:31 PM

Alfa GTV V6 24V with aftermarket quad exhausts. Proper miniature Ferrarri :-)

Click me!

One here that you might be able to haggle down to 1500 quid: here

fha772 - 17/4/12 at 07:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by owelly
Ooo, it could be like a competition for a motoring mag where you have to buy or build a car for under £1000 and see which is the fastest.....






If it was me, I'd got for a E36 BMW 328i, you'll find a fairly good 1 for around £500-750, that'll leave you £1000-750 to spend on tuning and handling mods.
(on these there's a good mod, fit the inlet manifold from the E36 325i, and you gain 30-40bhp instantly!!)

Volvorsport - 17/4/12 at 07:39 PM

t4 or t5

40inches - 17/4/12 at 07:43 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CRAIGR
Saab


Easily! You can get a stonker for that sort of money.
I think T66 sold a 300bhp 9-3 for around that figure not long ago.

tomgregory2000 - 17/4/12 at 07:50 PM

200sx

Ninehigh - 17/4/12 at 07:53 PM

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=51917

Omega?

matt_gsxr - 17/4/12 at 08:02 PM

Keep an eye on "Shed of the Week" on pistonheads. Seat Leon 20vt this week.

Fiat Coupe Turbo, back seats aren't too bad. Timing belt is expensive to change so writes them off.

Nickp - 17/4/12 at 08:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by owelly
Ooo, it could be like a competition for a motoring mag where you have to buy or build a car for under £1000 and see which is the fastest.....


Never heard of it..........

Doctor Derek Doctors - 17/4/12 at 08:15 PM

Eh-up Steve.

Either 328i (as already mentioned) or an early E36 325i both will cost <£1000 and put a huge smile on your face.

or a Pug 306 GTi-6, this is a genuinely one of the greatest hot hatches ever and surprisingly fast car. Watching S2000/Boxter/200sx drivers bouncing up and down in there seats as you out drag them down the back straight at Donnington is one of life great pleasures.

Also you can paint it like this:



T66 - 17/4/12 at 08:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by 40inches
quote:
Originally posted by CRAIGR
Saab


Easily! You can get a stonker for that sort of money.
I think T66 sold a 300bhp 9-3 for around that figure not long ago.




I got a few calls from 12 year olds, an idiot offering me £500 for it, then a call from the Czech Republic. Canny bloke called Ludek bought it and drove it home, he is currently converting it to lhd, and swapping the block & pistons with a T5 engine he has. Its going to be a 500bhp beast.

Grey Coupes are very rare in the UK, Coupes hardly exist in Czech.




blakep82 - 17/4/12 at 08:17 PM

of you wait and look carefully, a few skyline R33 gts-t come up for £1500 sometimes. yes they may be knackered, but its still a skyline! and thats good enough for me

[Edited on 17/4/12 by blakep82]

Nickp - 17/4/12 at 08:21 PM

MR2 Turbo? Near supercar performance for p'nuts

franky - 17/4/12 at 08:26 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Nickp
MR2 Turbo? Near supercar performance for p'nuts


This!

can be a little lairy though

40inches - 17/4/12 at 08:28 PM

quote:
Originally posted by franky
quote:
Originally posted by Nickp
MR2 Turbo? Near supercar performance for p'nuts


This!

can be a little lairy though


Had one, loved it! Bit of a squeeze for 4 though

austin man - 17/4/12 at 08:29 PM

Remapped 1.8 golf turbo will do 36 mpg on a steady run mid to low twenties when hammered

Nickp - 17/4/12 at 08:32 PM

quote:
Originally posted by 40inches
Had one, loved it! Bit of a squeeze for 4 though


True, had to mention it though

McLannahan - 17/4/12 at 08:35 PM

MK2 Golf VR6?

theduck - 17/4/12 at 09:39 PM

Straight 6 supercharged XJR.

job done

adithorp - 17/4/12 at 09:40 PM

quote:
Originally posted by McLannahan
MK2 Golf VR6?



froggy - 17/4/12 at 11:59 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Nickp
MR2 Turbo? Near supercar performance for p'nuts


Yep and nearly as quick as a reliant kitten too

I'm tuning a 9-5 that I got off here a couple of weeks back and with a 3" downpipe I'm knocking up and a few map tweaks should see 280hp for half your budget Steve . It nearly goes round corners and is stuffed full of toys .

Steve Hignett - 18/4/12 at 07:50 AM

quote:
Originally posted by froggy
Yep and nearly as quick as a reliant kitten too

I'm tuning a 9-5 that I got off here a couple of weeks back and with a 3" downpipe I'm knocking up and a few map tweaks should see 280hp for half your budget Steve . It nearly goes round corners and is stuffed full of toys .


I was hoping you'd pipe up matey

So what's happening with the 9-5?

D Beddows - 18/4/12 at 07:50 AM

If you're keeping it as a Saab Froggy I've got an Aero 'Cobra' intake pipe in the garage that I never got round to fitting - that ones still got the lpt one on as I recall - the Aero ones flow quite a lot better/more.....and as it has an Aero Turbo....! - £35 posted to Stoke if you're interested?

Sorry for the hijack Steve

froggy - 18/4/12 at 11:36 AM

Can't go too mad with it as its now the wife's second car as she runs a pov spec diesel polo during the week . The t7 management seems quite straight forward so just going to fatten up the midrange as its very smooth at the moment . I wouldn't want to push the tdo4 past 1.2 bar and it's not even hitting 0.9 yet with the current map.

I'm useless at driving fwd cars but with the map sorted to give the big wodge of torque if will be a nice tub to waft round in. Build quality seems pretty good as everything works inside including the split climate system once I gassed it up .

Plenty of enthusiast owned 9-5s around for a grand .

ashg - 18/4/12 at 12:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by owelly
Ooo, it could be like a competition for a motoring mag where you have to buy or build a car for under £1000 and see which is the fastest.....


don't be silly what kind of mad magazine would ever think of doing that

tegwin - 18/4/12 at 12:16 PM

All this talk of cheap fast(ish) motors got me thinking....

Found a really nice 9-5 HOT near me for £1700.... Then I checked the insurance..... £900 TPFT

Buggery insurance spoiling all my fun!

ashg - 18/4/12 at 12:20 PM

also +1 for the saab.

ChrisW - 18/4/12 at 12:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Nickp
quote:
Originally posted by 40inches
Had one, loved it! Bit of a squeeze for 4 though


True, had to mention it though


I was going to suggest the same, if it wasn't for the seating problem!

What about a locost? £250 to build, that leaves £1250 to spend on a crazy engine for it.

Chris

MikeRJ - 18/4/12 at 01:03 PM

You can have my Fiat Coupe for well under your budget 0-60 in 6.2 seconds, 0-100 in 14.5 seconds. Significantly quicker than a Leon Cupra R above 60 mph.

I've done ~50k miles in it with no problems (though plenty of preventative maintenance) and I get between 27 and 33mpg depending on how far into licence losing territory you want to go.

[Edited on 18/4/12 by MikeRJ]

RK - 18/4/12 at 01:38 PM

This is highly ironic coming from me, but I recommend a Subaru, at least if you lived around here. There are thousands of them in my neck of the woods. Head gaskets go apparently. 4wd. I ice raced one this year a bit. Handled amazingly, much like a less fancy Audi. Really.

AllWeatherDan - 18/4/12 at 02:36 PM

FTO GPX
200hp (From the factory but i imagine a bit less now)

Enough seats

morcus - 18/4/12 at 03:23 PM

FTO is cheap to insure aswell and I know a few people that have had them, two of them have sold and bought back the same car.

fesycresy - 18/4/12 at 03:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Volvorsport
t4 or t5


Had both, would defo recommend.

The T4 was a cracker, what a sleeper, woke a few boy racers up.

martinq357 - 18/4/12 at 04:26 PM

At the risk of getting flamed, how about an Octavia VRS then chip it....?

40inches - 19/4/12 at 07:14 AM

quote:
Originally posted by martinq357
At the risk of getting flamed, how about an Octavia VRS then chip it....?


Consider yourself flamed

Steve Hignett - 19/4/12 at 12:40 PM

The thing with those cheaper Skoda's like the VRS's.
They are all actually DEARER than the equivelant VAG cars now like Golf GTI's/A3's/Cupra's etc...

Must be that everyone on ebay has the same idea...
Well, that and the fact that the A3 and Golf is much more common...

[Edited on 19/4/12 by Steve Hignett]

welderman - 19/4/12 at 01:06 PM

not sure what you would get for that kind of money, but performance comes at a price . Fuel is one

sebastiaan - 20/4/12 at 09:30 AM

Well isn't this convenient: Shed of the Week!

franky - 20/4/12 at 09:40 AM

Toyota celica 190bhp model, 35+mpg, 4 seats, £1.5k will get you one, 2k gets a half decent one(i'm on the search for myself). Need I mention 8500rpm?

theduck - 20/4/12 at 02:01 PM

Serioursly, XJR6, 322bhp standard and bombproof engine and running gear!

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3830986.htm

Steve Hignett - 23/4/12 at 01:22 AM

What are people's thoughts re. a Renault Clio 172/182???
I'm surprised by them not being mentioned, am I completely off the mark with this one?
I don't know anything about them apart from two fella's from here (who can drive) had one (each) as track cars and loved them...

I was just thiniking that they are a bit more modern (for the money in question) but that they can still go round corners? Or so I thought?

Granted they won't be fast, but they won't be dog slow, or are they?

People#s opinions are really, really welcome on this one, as I've been ebay searching and it appears that they are in the price range... So what's wrong with them? (apart from being French, obviously)

Cheers again...
Steve

sdh2903 - 23/4/12 at 03:51 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Hignett
What are people's thoughts re. a Renault Clio 172/182???
I'm surprised by them not being mentioned, am I completely off the mark with this one?
I don't know anything about them apart from two fella's from here (who can drive) had one (each) as track cars and loved them...

I was just thiniking that they are a bit more modern (for the money in question) but that they can still go round corners? Or so I thought?

Granted they won't be fast, but they won't be dog slow, or are they?

People#s opinions are really, really welcome on this one, as I've been ebay searching and it appears that they are in the price range... So what's wrong with them? (apart from being French, obviously)

Cheers again...
Steve



I had a 182 briefly, they are a quick little car, well specced with cruise, climate etc. They do have some issues, timing belts are a pig to do (and expensive) so make sure its had one done. Exhausts and mounts are pretty poor and again quite pricey. All in a pretty good sporty hatch and they do go round corners very very well, even on 3 wheels.

For some reason though I just didn't get along with it, it was tinny, interior pretty low rent, kept it for 3 months then flogged it on. I've come to the conclusion me and french cars just don't get on.

franky - 23/4/12 at 07:02 AM

As a side note, if you can up the budget to 2k you'd get a lot more choice and cars in better condition so maybe saving a few £££ in the medium term too?

Steve Hignett - 23/4/12 at 09:08 AM

quote:
Originally posted by franky
As a side note, if you can up the budget to 2k you'd get a lot more choice and cars in better condition so maybe saving a few £££ in the medium term too?


That's a never ending spiral of frustration though... A question, or rather, a statement that has been a matter of contention between a friend and I for years.
We always ended up stating categorically that we would stick to £13k and that would get a half decent 911..........

To be honest, this thread was 50% hypo-pa-thetical
Don't know what it is that's drawing me to the little Clio. I hate the fact that I fancy one as I swore I'd never have a little french car!

How about a Civic Type R?

franky - 23/4/12 at 09:28 AM

you're looking at £3.5k for a decent one a nice 993 porker are £17k+ now too!

adithorp - 23/4/12 at 11:30 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Hignett
Hi All,

As above really...
A Ferrari 430 came down the road I work on giving it absolute beans. Ignoring the fact that it's only 40 limits and he was probably closer to 140, it did sound awesome when going for it. And just started me thinkin as to which car I could with a genuinely minuscule budget that would be entertaining to drive fast.

It would have to be a compromise I'm afraid... (doesn't everything nowadays!)...

[Edited on 19/4/12 by Steve Hignett]


Given that it was the sound as much as the speed and nothing in your budget is going to compete with the speed...

How about an Alfa 156 V6, 24valve. They come in 2.5lt (190bhp) up to 3.2 (250 I think). My sportwagon came with leather, 5 seats, big enough to get all the kit in for the bike races, all the other usual stuff. It was quick and... had a sound track to die for! Of course there's the reliability concerns but mine never had a thing go wrong for 3 years, then I got rid, before I pushed my luck too much. ...and you might end up with almost a £1000 left over.

Steve Hignett - 23/4/12 at 12:39 PM

It wasn't so much the sound as it was the "everything".
However, the overriding factor was the "ragging it" bit to be honest.

It's the same reason I was happy on my Honda CBR600RR, rather than the R1 that was offered to me at the time.

That's the reason I was thinking cheap and light Clio 182 or 172...
It's the most modern raggable car I could think of.
Don't really want to go down the realms of the older VTEC's etc.

Hmmm???

franky - 23/4/12 at 12:46 PM

Curve ball then, 1998 honda prelude 2.2 vti?

gdp66 - 23/4/12 at 01:33 PM

cant beat a wrx

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3804761.htm

Steve Hignett - 23/4/12 at 05:59 PM

quote:
Originally posted by gdp66
cant beat a wrx

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3804761.htm


I would definitely have one, but my wife would not go in it.
In her opinion they are loud and chav-tastic, bloody women...

And as I said above, I would want it to be ok on fuel if I wasn't booting it - that's one of the reason's why my first thought was Golf GTI/Leon Cupra as they are turbo cars, so can be driven off (Positive) boost and therefore not as bad on fuel. And a Scooby is not like that. Plus, you just cannot drive em slowly at all - Well I can't that's for sure! Ask McLannahan on here!

I know this is way out of my budget, (but skint is as skint does...) but I like this car on ebay as it is in my home town!
ps, I know the photo's are a bit "look at meeee"...

eBay - The UK's Online Marketplace

What do people think of it?
Do you reckon it'll go for less than £2k???

BenB - 23/4/12 at 06:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by gdp66
cant beat a wrx

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3804761.htm


loving the number plate

Steve Hignett - 23/4/12 at 08:40 PM

Granted this doesn't have as good a number plate (well, I don't think it does!), but this is only 4 miles away..........

2001 51 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX UK300 WRC BLUE WORLD RALLY LIMITED EDITION STI | eBay

franky - 23/4/12 at 08:43 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Hignett
Granted this doesn't have as good a number plate (well, I don't think it does!), but this is only 4 miles away..........

2001 51 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX UK300 WRC BLUE WORLD RALLY LIMITED EDITION STI | eBay


if you read it though its the slowest car you'd get for £1500

Steve Hignett - 24/4/12 at 07:27 AM

I did read it - if you read my posts above, my wife will not let us have a Subaru.
I showed her that one and she didn't even answer, just looked at me blankly.
To be fair, it made me want to buy it just to pee her off

Naah, I still think the Clio is top of the pile - it's just whether I could get a 182 for that money, or whether I could get a 172 with all the extras like air con etc...

gdp66 - 24/4/12 at 09:55 AM

I had a clio 172
And it is a good driver car. And can return 40+ mpg
But it is french, and does suffer from the rattles e.t.c.
I got fed up with doing a 150 mile commute in mine, and swapped back to a wrx.

Steve Hignett - 24/4/12 at 10:53 AM

That's just it - I'll be going from a bunch of VAG cars to a french car, and I'm cure that I too will be bothered by the poorer build quality.

Having said that, I only have a <10 mile commute and it is twisty country lanes, and I still have an old Audi A4 Avant 1.9tdi for all the family stuff, longer trips out and trips camping etc. It has a tow bar too

Hmmm, just need to sell all my stuff now to raise some money!

Golf Clubs, Snap On tool boxes, and an MX5 up for sale in next couple days!!!!!!!!!!

jelly head - 24/4/12 at 12:04 PM

Had a 172, went pretty well and handled well too but it was the most unreliable car I’ve ever owned and it was a pain to work on with the cramped engine bay.

Swapped it for a scoob, really fast in a straight line but it felt heavy in the corners – not as nimble as a good hot hatch and a bit unpredicatable (will it understeer this time or oversteer?). Missis runs round in it now.

Best hatch I’ve owned was a 306 rallye, engine didn’t feel that torquey but when it was wound up it shifted (faster than the 172 imo) and the handling was really sweet.

[Edited on 24/4/12 by jelly head]

RK - 24/4/12 at 12:29 PM

It sounds like you want something Italian. No idea what's out there, but the engines are great. Useless post, I know.

MikeRJ - 24/4/12 at 01:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Hignett
Naah, I still think the Clio is top of the pile - it's just whether I could get a 182 for that money, or whether I could get a 172 with all the extras like air con etc...


You really need to drive one for a while. I was after a 172/182 before I bought my Civic Type R, but they really are quite shoddy in terms of build quality, and the killer for me was the horrible driving position. On the plus side they do offer very good economy for the performance they give.

spiderman - 24/4/12 at 01:28 PM

Stick a supercharger on your MX5.

Steve Hignett - 24/4/12 at 01:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
You really need to drive one for a while. I was after a 172/182 before I bought my Civic Type R, but they really are quite shoddy in terms of build quality, and the killer for me was the horrible driving position. On the plus side they do offer very good economy for the performance they give.


I don't think the people I'd intend to buy one from on ebay would lend me their's for a while before I bought it though, so I don't think that's gonna happen in a hurry, I'm afraid...

I would happily have a Civic Type R, but don't think I'll get one for < £1500...

quote:
Originally posted by spiderman
Stick a supercharger on your MX5.


You stick a supercharger on my MX5!!!
(I don't like getting dirt under my finger nails...)

Proby - 24/4/12 at 04:22 PM

I would not touch a 172/182, because its French! I have owned an early 172, it was nippy, but unreliable. Electrics played up, seat seams splitting, interior head lining falling out, that was a brand new car! and all that was before 1000 miles! After it blew second gear to bits after 7000 mile it got traded! Maybe it was a Friday afternoon car?

I have also owned two scoobies and love them to bits, but fuel is a killer, even off boost they are real drinkers.

I love VAG cars, and either a Golf GTI 1.8T ot a Leon 1.8T with a remap is good fun and reasonably good on fuel (30mpg) off boost.

D Beddows - 24/4/12 at 05:32 PM




PAUL FISHER - 24/4/12 at 06:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by D Beddows







^^^^^Now that just looks so dangerous, I would not like being sat in the back of that round Oulton Park

welderman - 24/4/12 at 07:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by D Beddows






That looks mad on track I bet

D Beddows - 24/4/12 at 07:31 PM

1. 4 seats - CHECK
2. Not shocking on fuel (when not driving like a lunatic) - with a Fireblade engine - CHECK
3. £1000-1500 as above, as I won't have a budget for a new car for ages... - surely there can't be a huge market -CHECK

With a 'Blade engine it's got the noise, will turn heads (perhaps not for the same reason as a Ferrari but).....why has no one sugested it sooner!?

Sorry Steve

theduck - 24/4/12 at 07:34 PM

172/182s that have been looked after are brilliant, but most aren't and so you need to budget to have them tidied up. Certain jobs are specialists only, and even then some do jobs wrong. Seen so many with cam timing out as they people dong use the right tools.

richard thomas - 24/4/12 at 08:24 PM

Steve, try and find a decent 309GTi....if you can...I had one and i swear it was one of the best handling cars I have driven....could barrel into corners at alarming speeds and still come out the other side alive...much more predictable than a 205....it was certainly more capable than my 'extraordinary' driving skills....felt really quick too, because of the lightweight sh*te French build quality of the bodyshell....hailstones give them dents.....don't think they rust though, although I could be wrong there....

I would have another one in a minute if I could find a decent one....

Not bad on juice too, IIRC...

Rich.

Steve Hignett - 26/4/12 at 05:26 PM

A friend had a 309 (none GTi), and it put me off for life!
In fact, what put me on to VAG cars!

Anyway, what do you fellas and fella-ess' think of a Ford Focus ST170???

McLannahan - 26/4/12 at 06:41 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Hignett
A friend had a 309 (none GTi), and it put me off for life!
In fact, what put me on to VAG cars!

Anyway, what do you fellas and fella-ess' think of a Ford Focus ST170???


Come on Pants....It wasn't that good!

Remember me "customising it" the day after I bought it? One dead Sierra, one dead wall....

Awful awful car. I remember us wetting ourselves as we drove off leaving it at the new "lucky" owner's house. Saltney I think?

ST170....I like!

For a special fee I could also make this much sportier. It'd be narrower, lower and shorter and probably weigh less too. I'll get you booked in....

franky - 26/4/12 at 06:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Hignett
A friend had a 309 (none GTi), and it put me off for life!
In fact, what put me on to VAG cars!

Anyway, what do you fellas and fella-ess' think of a Ford Focus ST170???


i tried one and found it very disappointing.

Steve Hignett - 25/5/12 at 09:19 PM

Ok people - 1000 to 1500 is now 2000 to 2500......................

So what do I start looking at now the goal posts have hiccuped ever so slightly?

Honda Civic Type R ???

franky - 25/5/12 at 09:20 PM

skoda octavia VRS

Steve Hignett - 25/5/12 at 09:34 PM

Replied to you privately...

McLannahan - 25/5/12 at 09:48 PM

Nee naw nee naw...

2007 VECTRA 2.8 V6 TURBO 280BHP ' FULL 12 MONTHS MOT' MAY P/X- SWOP WHY | eBay

raguri - 25/5/12 at 09:51 PM

Really, REALLY big curve ball, but does it have to be fwd?
If not, how about an old Nissan Silvia? Such as a 200sx, which is both fast, and easily tuneable.
Admittedly though, i have no idea about the fuel economy/insurance.
Or, If you don't mind a bit of a project, an old Volvo 360 with a b230ft engine? Fast, small and chuckable?

And Wow i don't do much on here...

Panda - 25/5/12 at 10:02 PM

Gt4 epic grip easy to tune seats 4 go like the clappers no stigma like scoobs

Jasper - 28/5/12 at 01:26 PM

Ford Focus ST170 ???? Plenty in budget, cheapish to run and plenty upgradeable

theduck - 28/5/12 at 01:53 PM

Clio 172?

loggyboy - 28/5/12 at 03:16 PM

Renault Megane 225 | eBay

Honda Integra
Ibiza/Leon Cupra
Possibly a ropey M3


[Edited on 28/5/12 by loggyboy]