VinceGledhill
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 09:43 AM |
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Atom Style, single donor
Hi People.
I really love the sexy curves of the Ariel Atom, and then saw this kit,
http://www.brimoto.co.uk/rocket-range/self-build
I will be building everything myself, including the chassis.
Being in the best "locost" spirit, would mean sourcing as much as possible from one single donor vehicle. One that was plentiful, which
also had a lot of parts that could be utilised in the build, go give as much "bang for your buck" as possible.
So, my question is, what donor and why? P.S. I would like the car to be scary in the "traffic light Grand Prix"
Regards
Vince Gledhill
Time Served Auto Electrician
Lucas Leeds 1979-1983
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Ugg10
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 12:00 PM |
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Rocket is a Ford Focus single donor iirc but you need two sets of front uprights. Mr2 would a reasonable shout aswell, mk3 in 190 format. Any fwd car
would do but again need two sets of front uprights.
If you truly want a single donor look at the Audi A4 range in Quattro form but swap the gearbox for a 2wd version. 1.8t is very tunable.
Or a Porsche Boxster.
The final one to look at is the sdr storm wr3 which is scooby Impreza based with the rear drive locked off.
A free things to think about there.
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1968 Ford Anglia 105e, 1.7 Zetec SE, Mk2 Escort Workd Cup front end, 5 link rear
Build Blog - http://Anglia1968.weebly.com
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sdh2903
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 12:23 PM |
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If your in the locost spirit has to be focus donor. Turbo the blacktop zetec and jobs a good'un.
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Slimy38
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 12:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by VinceGledhill
I will be building everything myself, including the chassis.
I don't quite follow, how will you build the chassis? MEV designed the Rocket chassis and make them in house. Or are you sourcing the metal and
copying their design?
It'll be interesting how you do the curves on the side rails.
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 09:06 PM |
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Hmmm if you're making your own, fix that farm gate front end 
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VinceGledhill
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| posted on 26/6/16 at 07:27 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Slimy38
quote:
Originally posted by VinceGledhill
I will be building everything myself, including the chassis.
I don't quite follow, how will you build the chassis? MEV designed the Rocket chassis and make them in house. Or are you sourcing the metal and
copying their design?
It'll be interesting how you do the curves on the side rails.
I'll use a company like this one or this
one I don't think it would be a lot of money to bend what is essentially four bits of tube.
Regards
Vince Gledhill
Time Served Auto Electrician
Lucas Leeds 1979-1983
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Slimy38
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| posted on 26/6/16 at 10:03 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by VinceGledhill
I'll use a company like this one or this
one I don't think it would be a lot of money to bend what is essentially four bits of tube.
Mmm, sounds like a good plan. Are you planning on keeping a build thread, I would be very interested to watch it come together.
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VinceGledhill
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| posted on 26/6/16 at 10:37 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Slimy38
quote:
Originally posted by VinceGledhill
I'll use a company like this one or this
one I don't think it would be a lot of money to bend what is essentially four bits of tube.
Mmm, sounds like a good plan. Are you planning on keeping a build thread, I would be very interested to watch it come together.
Yes, don't see why not.
Regards
Vince Gledhill
Time Served Auto Electrician
Lucas Leeds 1979-1983
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Ugg10
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| posted on 26/6/16 at 02:34 PM |
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Worth googling the asbo car build thread, basically what you are doing, think two, possibly three were made.
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1968 Ford Anglia 105e, 1.7 Zetec SE, Mk2 Escort Workd Cup front end, 5 link rear
Build Blog - http://Anglia1968.weebly.com
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ettore bugatti
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| posted on 26/6/16 at 02:50 PM |
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Do investigate the use of an MG TF or Toyota MR2 mk3 as a donor.
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Ugg10
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| posted on 26/6/16 at 03:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ettore bugatti
Do investigate the use of an MG TF or Toyota MR2 mk3 as a donor.
Check out the Sylvia victis chassis, not an aerialalike but mounts the full mgf front and rear sub frames on the space frame chassis, easy install.,
update to the mgtf and use the 160 and get brembo 4 pots thrown in for free.
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1968 Ford Anglia 105e, 1.7 Zetec SE, Mk2 Escort Workd Cup front end, 5 link rear
Build Blog - http://Anglia1968.weebly.com
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VinceGledhill
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| posted on 26/6/16 at 03:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ettore bugatti
Do investigate the use of an MG TF or Toyota MR2 mk3 as a donor.
But not in the locost ethos, surely a donor will be over a grand?
Regards
Vince Gledhill
Time Served Auto Electrician
Lucas Leeds 1979-1983
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Slimy38
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| posted on 26/6/16 at 03:37 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by VinceGledhill
quote:
Originally posted by ettore bugatti
Do investigate the use of an MG TF or Toyota MR2 mk3 as a donor.
But not in the locost ethos, surely a donor will be over a grand?
MG TF's can be found for MX5 money, especially ones with tatty bodywork (which you won't be using). A Mark 3 MR2 might be a bit more
expensive.
My suggestion is to be patient getting a donor. I spent several months waiting for a perfect donor, then one turned up five miles away for a handful
of twenties. I've seen others panicking after a week of searching, and buying something that was overpriced and needing a fair bit of work.
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VinceGledhill
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| posted on 27/6/16 at 03:00 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Slimy38
quote:
Originally posted by VinceGledhill
quote:
Originally posted by ettore bugatti
Do investigate the use of an MG TF or Toyota MR2 mk3 as a donor.
But not in the locost ethos, surely a donor will be over a grand?
MG TF's can be found for MX5 money, especially ones with tatty bodywork (which you won't be using). A Mark 3 MR2 might be a bit more
expensive.
My suggestion is to be patient getting a donor. I spent several months waiting for a perfect donor, then one turned up five miles away for a handful
of twenties. I've seen others panicking after a week of searching, and buying something that was overpriced and needing a fair bit of work.
What do I get extra with one of these donors that I won't get with a 2 litre ford focus for example?
Regards
Vince Gledhill
Time Served Auto Electrician
Lucas Leeds 1979-1983
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Ugg10
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| posted on 27/6/16 at 03:38 PM |
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Engine is already in the rear so you can use all of the bits in the right places rather than using the front end of the focus in the rear and then
buying another front end for the steering etc. Therefore with a focus you actually need pretty much two front chops to make one aerialalike. And if
you are clever you could do what Jeremy Philips did with the Sylvia vectis and use the full subframe front and rear keeping factory geometry etc.
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1968 Ford Anglia 105e, 1.7 Zetec SE, Mk2 Escort Workd Cup front end, 5 link rear
Build Blog - http://Anglia1968.weebly.com
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 27/6/16 at 04:36 PM |
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Mk3 MR2 - mid-rear engined. Heavier engine (iron block, alu head, 175kg as a bare engine without turbo and manifolds/ancils), but turbo option out of
the box and up to 300hp with pretty much zero mods and it was designed that way round to begin with so all parts should be suitable. The problem I
found with this is it will make the car about 75:25 R:F weight balance, which could be a beast to deal with. There's a reason the Mk3 turbo was
known as a widowmaker/ditchhunter amongst new owners.
MGTF - not sure, not keen but at least mid-rear engined.
MX5 - not keen myself, lots to convert.
Ford - not keen on fords to start with but at least it's cheapish and easily available. Will need multiple front uprights.
[Edited on 27/6/16 by coyoteboy]
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VinceGledhill
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| posted on 28/6/16 at 09:00 PM |
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Thanks for that, but a quick search on Auto Trader didn't find me a donor for under a grand.
Spares or repairs ford focus, £300.00 or less. I can get a lot of cortina uprights and escort steering racks for the difference.
Regards
Vince Gledhill
Time Served Auto Electrician
Lucas Leeds 1979-1983
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ettore bugatti
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| posted on 29/6/16 at 07:56 PM |
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Fair enough, that's pretty much what MEV was doing.
Mind you, MEV completely switched to single donor MX5, because they recon for every part you change there are 9 areas impacted and need to change as
well.
Have you considered the costs and modifying engineering time of the following assemblies?
-cooling
-gear shift
-exhaust
With an MGF/TF you got the parts ready to bolt on, with the Focus donor you need to source and figure a way of getting it on the chassis and making
sure it will work.
In that view it is not too much money to pay quite a bit extra to save a lot of time.
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VinceGledhill
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| posted on 5/7/16 at 01:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ettore bugatti
Fair enough, that's pretty much what MEV was doing.
Mind you, MEV completely switched to single donor MX5, because they recon for every part you change there are 9 areas impacted and need to change as
well.
Have you considered the costs and modifying engineering time of the following assemblies?
-cooling
-gear shift
-exhaust
With an MGF/TF you got the parts ready to bolt on, with the Focus donor you need to source and figure a way of getting it on the chassis and making
sure it will work.
In that view it is not too much money to pay quite a bit extra to save a lot of time.
Some really good points there mate, cheers, and taken on board.
What's the MG TF front suspension? Steering? Would it be relatively easy to modify? Bearing in mind, it will be "locost" inspired
at the front?
Regards
Vince Gledhill
Time Served Auto Electrician
Lucas Leeds 1979-1983
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ettore bugatti
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| posted on 5/7/16 at 09:11 PM |
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Looks all right too me
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JC
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| posted on 12/7/16 at 02:44 PM |
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Vince - you have U2U!
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