gr8ging
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Q plate or not Q plate??
Having read the "ideal Sierra Donor" post and having my idea of buying a 4x4 estate poo pooed. Can you guy's tell me the
advantages/disadvantages of Q plates and AGE related plates pls.
I have heard rumors that Q plates are...well.....considered.........pants!?
Should I source the individual parts or stick with the donor. I want LSD 3.62 diff. Discs all round. I have ZX9 E1 engine and reverse gearbox.
So what do you think?
Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals.... except the weasel.
You couldn't fool your own mother on the foolingest day of your life with an electrified fooling machine!
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 04:51 PM |
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Age-related plates are sometimes regarded to give the vehicle a better resale value as Q imples to some people 'cobbled together' (I
don't know if this is true or not) and they allow you to change to a personal plate if you choose. That said, an age-related plate can make the
vehicle look older than it really is, the best option is probably to change the plate for a cheap dateless one if you don't want the plate to
imply the car is old.
Q plates cannot be changed for personal ones, but have the advantage that you only have to pass a 'visible smoke' emissions test at MOT.
You still have to pass the appropriate age-related emissions test at SVA though.
[Edited on 14/3/07 by matt_claydon]
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Guinness
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 05:08 PM |
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You can't see the number plates when you are driving, so I guess it doesn't really matter!
When I took my car to the local DVLA office to be "inspected" it was raining and the car was up on a trailer. Woman came out to the car
park, glanced at the car, asked me to take the bonnet off, she got me to read her the engine no and vin no, which she checked against the paper work.
Then she went back inside.
No way could she tell that my steering rack came from the same Sierra as my diff from that 2 minute inspection. It was all down to the paperwork,
rather than actually checking the car.
As long as you tell them it all came off one Sierra, with a V5, and a vin plate to back it up you'll probably end up with an age related plate
(in my experience).
HTH
Mike
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Hellfire
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 05:22 PM |
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I grew up thinking that all cars with a 'Q' plate were stolen vehicles which had been written off by the insurance co. and had been
consequently recovered and re-registered. When I became interested in building a kit, some simple research dispelled that myth but the stigma (call it
what you will) is still there.
With regard to MOT, there is no advantage of having a Q plate as opposed to having an age related plate prior to 1st August 1998 or 'S'
registered as all these vehicles get a visual smoke test.
Phil
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mad4x4
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 05:43 PM |
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Same here go for age related, My engine didn;t come from my doner and the chassis was bought new hubs gear box diff and steering is all you need.
again 2 minute inspection - guy was more woried about the engine number than anything else and that it match paper work provided.
I had to explain that my engine was not the one submitted with the vosa docs as it siezed before test - no worries VOSA & inspectorate aren;t
that bad a bunch.
Scot's do it better in Kilts.
MK INDY's Don't Self Centre Regardless of MK Setting !
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tim windmill
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 05:44 PM |
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having a "Q" plate on a normal road going tin top car is a definite disadvantage and will effect its market value, but having a
"Q" plate on a kit car doesnt really have any effect as you are not trying to disguise anything its obvious that its built of parts and is
a kit.
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nitram38
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 06:05 PM |
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Wether right or wrong, people assume an amateur built car on a Q and a professional build on a normal reg.
They often assume that the Q will be made of several cars and therefore "cobbled" together.
It is a perception widely held.
[Edited on 14/3/2007 by nitram38]
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blakep82
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 06:09 PM |
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i'd actually prefer a Q plate, gives a kind of mystery about the car
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nitram38
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 06:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
i'd actually prefer a Q plate, gives a kind of mystery about the car
Like how many different cars it is made of?
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blakep82
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 06:19 PM |
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I've never been called smart before :p
quote:
Originally posted by nitram38
quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
i'd actually prefer a Q plate, gives a kind of mystery about the car
Like how many different cars it is made of?
exactly that! no, really though, on something like a lotus 7 type, not so much, but apply it to another kit car/self build you've seen in the
street, and you've never seen another one like it before i think its quite cool. plus SVA emissions are easier...
[Edited on 14/3/07 by blakep82]
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smart51
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 06:45 PM |
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My car has a diff from an XR4x4 with fron hubs and axles from a 2.0i. The engine is off an R1 and other bits and pieces are from elsewhere. The
correct registration is a Q plate, which I have.
I could easily have lied, found a V5 from any old car and passed it off as something else, getting me a G or H plate. I didn't really see any
advantage of doing this. Maybe a few ill-informed buyers would be less likely to buy my car off me, but I'm not planning on selling.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 06:53 PM |
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I am going for a Q plate, for the plain and simple reason that its so much hassle to get an age related one. Couple that with the advantages come MOT
time with a Q plate, then it made sense to me.
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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TangoMan
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 07:24 PM |
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I pondered this when I bought mine car.
In the end I decided unless I plan to sell it is probably snobbery or misguided view that dictates a Non-Q plate.
I decided that it's the driving experience that matters so I got a Q. The MOT benefits are worth having as it's one less thing to worry
about.
Summer's here!!!!
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TangoMan
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 07:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by TangoMan
I decided that it's the driving experience that matters so I got a Q.
That's why the first things I did to it were fit cycle wings and paint it bright orange..
Summer's here!!!!
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blakep82
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 07:26 PM |
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what's different about the MOT?
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nitram38
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 07:29 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
what's different about the MOT?
Emissions, a Q only has to pass a visual smoke test
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blakep82
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 07:35 PM |
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thought thats what it was
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gr8ging
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 07:43 PM |
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Thanks guys
So Q's not all bad to those in the know. And I guess thats all that matter!
If I were to spot a cheap Donor Which one has the 3.62 LSD Diff, all 4x4's?
Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals.... except the weasel.
You couldn't fool your own mother on the foolingest day of your life with an electrified fooling machine!
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OX
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 08:03 PM |
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i wanted a Q plate as it never ages and all the other stuff about mot's.i think the 2.0l xr4x4 has a 3.9 diff and the 2.8l and 2.9l has the
3.6
[Edited on 14/3/07 by OX]
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Hellfire
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 08:56 PM |
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OK then Calvinx, font of all knowledge. Your vehicle is on a 'Q' plate, ours has an 'F' prefix. EXACTLY what advantages will
your vehicle have at MOT, that ours won't have. As you are an ex MOT tester and ex UK VOSA tester, please give me a list of the
advantages...........
Phil
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bodger
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 09:04 PM |
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I'm going for a Q plate. I've got a 2001 Carb'ed R1 engine. I know I've got to tweak it for emissions at SVA time but after
that I can forget about emissions altogether. No mucking around at MOT time hoping it'll get through.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 09:10 PM |
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Please read the text in BOLD regarding MOT Emissions Testing.
The MOT tester will take the age of the vehicle from the registration plate and also assume that this is the date on which it was first used.
A - If your car has an AGE-RELATED plate he’ll assume that the engine is the same age as the plate and do the test accordingly. However, if your
age-related plate refers to pre-Aug 1998 (‘S’ Prefix) you will continue to get the visible smoke test for the life of the vehicle REGARDLESS of the
age of the engine. Remember though that this does NOT include PERSONALISED plates as in this case the vehicle will continue to be tested according
to its age and NOT the vehicle registration number.
B - If your vehicle has a CURRENT/NEW plate or one that is after 1st August 1998, you will get a ‘basic’ emissions test, which is a basic check
conducted to set limits carried out BEFORE the ‘CAT’ test. If you pass, GREAT. If you fail though you’ll be subject to a full ‘by-the-book’ CAT test,
plus remember that if you fail this you’ll also fail the MOT. Of course there are plenty of CURRENT/NEW registered kits running around with
reconditioned engines so in this instance you will have to prove the age of the engine to the MOT tester. Ideally you should have a copy of your SVA
MAC ‘pass’ certificate, which will be sufficient. Otherwise you will have to get a letter from the engines manufacturer stating clearly what year the
engine was made.
C - Cars with a ‘Q’ plate are regarded as being of uncertain age so therefore will continue to be subject to the visible smoke test.
Phil
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 14/3/07 at 10:03 PM |
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Hellfire, that info is actually wrong,although the rules are confusing to say the least and MOT testers may not interpret them properly. To quote from
VOSA MOT documentation:
quote:
For emissions purposes only, kit cars and amateur built vehicles first used before 1 August 1998 and Wankel rotary engined vehicles first used
before 1 August 1987 are to be considered first used before 1 August 1975. Kit cars and amateur built vehicles first used on or after 1 August
1998 ("S" reg) are required to obtain Single Vehicle Approval and should be tested to the limits stated on the registration
document.
In other words, it's about when the vehicle was first registered, not what's on the plate. I guess the confusion arises because it's
hard to tell the difference between (eg) an 'F' reg kit car built in 1987 and one built last year with a donor age related plate.
[Edited on 14/3/07 by matt_claydon]
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iiyama
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| posted on 16/3/07 at 06:12 PM |
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And to that end I am very confused!!!
I have a V5 and the donor. However all thats been used from the donor are diff, front and rear hubs, steering column and for SVA steering wheel. Half
shafts are refurbed, front uprights are fabricated and engine/gearbox are from a Hayabusa. Everything else is new.
I dont want the grief of emmisions at MOT as I dont want to fit a CAT.
So what are my options??
If its broke, fix it. If it aint broke, take it apart and find out how it works!
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iank
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| posted on 16/3/07 at 11:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iiyama
And to that end I am very confused!!!
I have a V5 and the donor. However all thats been used from the donor are diff, front and rear hubs, steering column and for SVA steering wheel. Half
shafts are refurbed, front uprights are fabricated and engine/gearbox are from a Hayabusa. Everything else is new.
I dont want the grief of emmisions at MOT as I dont want to fit a CAT.
So what are my options??
Your problem is going to be the bike engine. I'm guessing it's newer than Aug 95 so you will need a (temporary) cat at SVA to pass
emissions. You should be able to get a Q reg (if you want one) by saying the components from the donor were exchanged during the refurb.
Problem comes from vosa reportedly putting the emissions limits from the SVA test on the V5c. While having a Q plate should mean smoke test only if
there are emissions limits on the V5 it's going to take a 'discussion' with the tester to enforce.
I'd even speculate it's possible there could be a regs change which would enforce emissions limits from the V5 if there are any rather
than using the registration. Can't see any other reason for vosa putting them on.
Safest thing is get a Q and to put a provably ancient engine in for SVA and swap out afterwards.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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