puma931
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 10:55 AM |
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get around IVA
Is it possible to buy an old but registered kit car and trasfer the plate/chassis number to a newly build kit and then put it on the road?
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Bluemoon
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 11:00 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by puma931
Is it possible to buy an old but registered kit car and trasfer the plate/chassis number to a newly build kit and then put it on the road?
No... Well unless you use enough of the old components on the "points" system..
[Edited on 4/5/12 by Bluemoon]
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puma931
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 11:01 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Bluemoon
quote:
Originally posted by puma931
Is it possible to buy an old but registered kit car and trasfer the plate/chassis number to a newly build kit and then put it on the road?
No...
Why not? I ve seen loads of 1960's minis running arround in new shells...
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Bluemoon
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 11:03 AM |
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A new shell is o.k depends on "points" i.e. need receipt of chassis built to the original design.
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Proby
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 11:06 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by puma931
Is it possible to buy an old but registered kit car and trasfer the plate/chassis number to a newly build kit and then put it on the road?
Of course you can! It's known as a false identity! And not far off the lines of ringing (apart from the stolen car bit), very dodgy, but you
must know that surely?
And a mini that you mention is a reshell, not buying a new mini and banging on the chassis/reg number???
[Edited on 4/5/12 by Proby]
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puma931
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 11:10 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Proby
quote:
Originally posted by puma931
Is it possible to buy an old but registered kit car and trasfer the plate/chassis number to a newly build kit and then put it on the road?
Of course you can! It's known as a false identity! And not far off the lines of ringing (apart from the stolen car bit), very dodgy, but you
must know that surely?
Thats what I thought, but IMO only "slightly dodgy" if you buy and own both cars and destroy the old car afterwards, plus it still has to
get an MOT.
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computid
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 11:15 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by puma931
Is it possible to buy an old but registered kit car and trasfer the plate/chassis number to a newly build kit and then put it on the road?
It is possible, but very illegal and VERY frowned upon by everybody else in the kit car community. Not only because you are stripping an old kit car
of its identity but because you are driving a mis-registered vehicle on the road.
Its like me building a seven out of a sierra and then slapping the sierra plates on it and driving it around. It's illegal. It used to happen a
lot because it was unlikely you were going to get found out but nowadays with ANPR its highly likely you'll get found out and have your vehicle
confiscated.
The only reason it MIGHT work with a kit car is because most traffic cops wont know the difference between a rickman ranger and a locost but if you
get the one that does then your screwed.
I believe (and I could be wrong) that the punishment for having a mis-registered vehicle is confiscation of the vehicle and a £1000 fine. Not really
worth it IMHO.
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computid
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 11:16 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by puma931
plus it still has to get an MOT.
Oh yeah, and you might have some trouble with that too if the tester knows his kit cars and wants to cause you some pain.
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gdp66
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 11:18 AM |
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If you buy an old locost or any 7 type car which is road registered.
Why can't you repair /replace with a new chassis and swap all of the parts over.
if you cut up the old chassis, whats illegal ?
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puma931
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 11:19 AM |
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OK, thanks for the advice, I think I will prep the car for IVA.
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designer
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 11:20 AM |
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quote:
"slightly dodgy"
Is there any type of 'slight' crime?
It's cheating!
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A1
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 11:22 AM |
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but if its the same car its coming off...ie an old crashed robin hood going onto another robin hood...
im not condoning or anything...
[Edited on 4/5/12 by A1]
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puma931
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 11:23 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by designer
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"slightly dodgy"
Is there any type of 'slight' crime?
It's cheating!
Even if it is an old locost?
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A1
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 11:24 AM |
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beat me to it
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gdp66
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 11:27 AM |
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That was my point.
If you crash your Tiger/MK/GKD/Westfield/Caterham, you send it back to the manufacturer
They say it needs a new chassis. They rebuild it. It won't go for another IVA.
Whats the difference with picking up an old locost, which is correctly registered, and using another locost chassis to fix/rebuild
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pdm
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 11:30 AM |
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Originally posted by gdp66
That was my point.
If you crash your Tiger/MK/GKD/Westfield/Caterham, you send it back to the manufacturer
They say it needs a new chassis. They rebuild it. It won't go for another IVA.
Whats the difference with picking up an old locost, which is correctly registered, and using another locost chassis to fix/rebuild
Yes but it will go for a VIC check wouldn't it ?
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Bluemoon
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 11:33 AM |
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Originally posted by gdp66
That was my point.
If you crash your Tiger/MK/GKD/Westfield/Caterham, you send it back to the manufacturer
They say it needs a new chassis. They rebuild it. It won't go for another IVA.
Whats the difference with picking up an old locost, which is correctly registered, and using another locost chassis to fix/rebuild
You can't do that with an "old" chassis but if a "new one" direct from the manufacture and so long as you can get 8
points:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/Registeringakitcarrebuildorradicallyalteredvehicle/DG_191068
Now for a locost the manufacturers will be the original builder if home build chassis or a manufacture if bought.. or could any home constructor be a
manufacturer??? That's probably the gray area...
Dan
[Edited on 4/5/12 by Bluemoon]
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nib1980
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 11:36 AM |
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dont forget the IVA isn't just a tick box excercise , it's to make sure the vehicle is safe to be on the road. it's far more
stringent than an MOT.
you can be the best engineer in the world, but you may have missed something or made a mistake that could kill you or other roads users.
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blakep82
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 11:42 AM |
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haven't read through all the replies, but i can pretty much guess what they all say.
no, taking an old car (duttons are common) and stamping the chassis number and reg numbers and putting them on your new, or ex-race car (if i remember
right) is illegal, its fraud, etc
however, taking say a caterham which has been damaged with a bent chassis, or a mini which is rusted, and replacing the chassis, WITH AN IDENTICAL ONE
FROM A RECOGNISED MANUFACTURER (caterham or british motor heritage ltd in both of those cases) and transfering the chassis numbers is ok, as its just
repairing the chassis, and a striaght chassis replacement.
HOWEVER! replacing a mini shell with a new carbon shell and transferring the numbers would not be allowed, as the original chassis wasn't
carbon
somewhere in the middle must be a grey area, but what you're saying, ie to avoid IVA, is illegal, and may void your insurance if you have a
crash and the car is inspected by someone who knows his stuff
[Edited on 4/5/12 by blakep82]
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puma931
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 11:46 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
haven't read through all the replies, but i can pretty much guess what they all say.
no, taking an old car (duttons are common) and stamping the chassis number and reg numbers and putting them on your new, or ex-race car (if i remember
right) is illegal, its fraud, etc
however, taking say a caterham which has been damaged with a bent chassis, or a mini which is rusted, and replacing the chassis, WITH AN IDENTICAL ONE
FROM A RECOGNISED MANUFACTURER (caterham or british motor heritage ltd in both of those cases) and transfering the chassis numbers is ok, as its just
repairing the chassis, and a striaght chassis replacement.
HOWEVER! replacing a mini shell with a new carbon shell and transferring the numbers would not be allowed, as the original chassis wasn't
carbon
somewhere in the middle must be a grey area, but what you're saying, ie to avoid IVA, is illegal, and may void your insurance if you have a
crash and the car is inspected by someone who knows his stuff
[Edited on 4/5/12 by blakep82]
OK. Understand.
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Dick Axtell
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 02:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
however, taking say a caterham which has been damaged with a bent chassis,..........., and replacing the chassis, WITH AN IDENTICAL ONE FROM A
RECOGNISED MANUFACTURER..............and transfering the chassis numbers is ok, as its just repairing the chassis, and a straight chassis
replacement.
This is exactly what happens with Land Rovers. Indeed, there are engineering outfits which specialise in LR chassis replacements, and they don't
have to undergo IVA test. Because the chassis comes from the original manufacturer, it has already undergone type approval testing. I've seen a
1963-reg Landie, sporting radius bars + coil spring suspension (i.e. Defender style), and these were definitely not around in the early 60s versions.
Older LRs carried the traditional live axle-on-cart-springs arrangement.
(We tried out independent suspension on another 4x4, using Flexitor suspension arms. Insufficient traction for dealing with off-road
conditions!!!).
Work-in-Progress: Changed to Zetec + T9. Still trying!!
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emwmarine
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 02:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Dick Axtell
quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
however, taking say a caterham which has been damaged with a bent chassis,..........., and replacing the chassis, WITH AN IDENTICAL ONE FROM A
RECOGNISED MANUFACTURER..............and transfering the chassis numbers is ok, as its just repairing the chassis, and a straight chassis
replacement.
This is exactly what happens with Land Rovers. Indeed, there are engineering outfits which specialise in LR chassis replacements, and they don't
have to undergo IVA test. Because the chassis comes from the original manufacturer, it has already undergone type approval testing. I've seen a
1963-reg Landie, sporting radius bars + coil spring suspension (i.e. Defender style), and these were definitely not around in the early 60s versions.
Older LRs carried the traditional live axle-on-cart-springs arrangement.
(We tried out independent suspension on another 4x4, using Flexitor suspension arms. Insufficient traction for dealing with off-road
conditions!!!).
And in the land rover world the forums are full of newer land rovers being passed off as older ones (to avoid car tax) being reported to DVLA.
Building a Dax Rush.
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Dick Axtell
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 03:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by emwmarine
And in the land rover world the forums are full of newer land rovers being passed off as older ones (to avoid car tax) being reported to
DVLA.
That's news to me! And helps to clarify things, slightly. Which probably explains why I haven't seen that 63-reg LR around so recently. On
the other hand, if the DVLA is happy for the re-chassis-ed vehicle to continue carrying its original reg, why shouldn't the owner continue
claiming pre-1972 road tax qualification?
Work-in-Progress: Changed to Zetec + T9. Still trying!!
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billy
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 05:39 PM |
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You could ways get hold of a dutton logbook! I'm sure lots have 
luego-lo-cost finished,vauxhall 16v 2.0,twin 45s de-dion rear set up
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 4/5/12 at 05:51 PM |
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Lets not lose sight of the purpose of IVA, Safety.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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