paul the 6th
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| posted on 18/1/09 at 08:54 PM |
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So I've just bought a zetec lump off ebay... not sure why but "meh"
Right, a very quick explanation...
building a book haynes roadster (or as close as I can get to the book spec to make my life easier)... Been planning on using a pinto as in the book,
and once the car is built, eventually swapping to zetec later on. In the process of building, I was going to put all the neccesary bits in place to
make the transition easier - fuel return line for when using efi on the zetec, even thoug the pinto will be using carbs to start....
Someone pointed out this 1.8 zetec engine from
an escort ... it was my birthday 2 weeks ago and I had a little bit of money burning a hole in my pocket. I've done the typical thing and
followed my heart instead of my head. Not done any reading or research as to whether this zetec will be suitable for a swap later on, but for £26, I
don't mind if it just ends up as a learning exercise.
First off, could anyone point me in the direction of a zetec spec history? Info on the various part numbers and variations as the engine developed
over the years etc...
Second, are there any decent guides for stripping/rebuilding one of these? My mechanical background: I'm a whizz with computers and fairly
competent when it comes to problem solving, but have quite limited knowledge of modern engines etc... Unfortunately, I'm from the younger
generation of petrol heads where ECU's and computers rule the roost, and any minor changes to an engine setup could mean major problems. As a
result, I've only ever messed around with induction kits and 'cat back exhausts' etc, never done any mega mechanical work or engine
rebuilds before, so building the roadster is as much a learning exercise as it is about having a nice sportscar at the end of the build. All
advice/info/guides etc are more than welcome at this point because I'm keen to start messing with the engine side of things asap...
3, the listing says it comes with a gearbox but as someone has pointed out in another thread on here, there is no sump. If anyone can point out a spec
history as per point 1 above, how tricky would it be to find a sump to fit?
Feel free to slate me for jumping in head first without doing any research  there was an hour or so left on the auction and I'm workin in
london this week so pick up isn't a problem. As I've already said, advice/info/guides/books etc for dismantling and rebuilding one of
these, is MORE THAN welcome since I want to start learning asap 
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will121
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| posted on 18/1/09 at 09:08 PM |
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some good info on the burton web site,
burton power zetec specs
as for gearbox i expect it will be the front wheel drive escort box so of no use, but just make sure you get all the ancilleries as notice things like
crank case breather is missing and if you later have to buy these makes the bargin you have got not so good. also on the burton web site you can check
engine age from the engine number which will help woth what you need, if with sump off the engine looks sound wether a full strip down is worth the
money is your gamble. also ask why sump not with it, it may just be as simple as he sold it separatly as if it is the early one piece sump they fetch
a bit as required for fitting 2litres zetecs in to a fiesta
[Edited on 18/1/09 by will121]
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paul the 6th
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| posted on 18/1/09 at 09:15 PM |
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quality matey, exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for £3 on ebay for a hayne escort manual (1990 to 2000) which covers this engine
Cheers
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coozer
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| posted on 18/1/09 at 09:18 PM |
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No one will slate ya, its dirt cheap. Looked at it earlier and it said 'comes with all ancillarys' so if there's no sump ask him
why.. coil pack would be good as well and make sure the VR sensor is present.
Have a look through my blog, I used a 1.8 in my build do you may get some sense there. or not....
Check this page out...
Toyne
Just type RWD Zetec into google and theres tons there to look at.
Steve
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1980 Z750
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D Beddows
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| posted on 18/1/09 at 09:18 PM |
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For £26 you're not going to go far wrong even if the engine is sh*gged are you  Tbh the zetec is one of those engines that's cheap as
chips if it works but the minute you start taking it apart things start getting quite expensive quite quickly - I'd pop the head and sump off
and see what it looks like, if everything looks ok I'd just get a new head gasket and sling it in the car and hope for the best, if it's
really broken it'll come in very handy for dummy block purposes during the build but I wouldn't bother trying to rebuild it when you can
buy brand new ones for £700!
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paul the 6th
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| posted on 18/1/09 at 09:22 PM |
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excellent info guys and thanks for the tips I have emailed the seller asking him to give me a call so we can arrange collection, and also asking
where the sump is since it's listed as having all anciliaries and gearbox ...
I'll check your blog coozer and thanks for the tip beddows You said that things start getting expensive when they're pulled apart with
the zetecs, is there a particular reason for that?
And yes, for £26 quid I really don't mind if it turns out to be a complete piece of crap, I'll just be happy to get my hands on a bit of
engine I can play with and more importantly, learn
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Dick Axtell
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| posted on 18/1/09 at 09:30 PM |
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Hiya - how can you go wrong for £26??
For loadsa Zetec related info, check out this site :-
http://www.zetecinside.com/xr2/stepbystep.shtml
Work-in-Progress: Changed to Zetec + T9. Still trying!!
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r1_pete
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| posted on 18/1/09 at 09:34 PM |
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If you u2u me your email I can save you that £3, I've a pdf manual which covers your engine......
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contaminated
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| posted on 18/1/09 at 09:36 PM |
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Total bargain if you ask me - even if it ends up being a coffe table! I've come across a couple of websites dedicated to tuning that engine in
the Escort recently, so when I'm on my other laptop I'll post them. Standard 2.0l cams are a good start. Presumably your water pump spins
the right way as well, so no need for a mod there?
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big_wasa
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| posted on 18/1/09 at 09:36 PM |
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the sump would have fetched that on its own. Hence I bet he flogged it.
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contaminated
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| posted on 18/1/09 at 09:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by big_wasa
the sump would have fetched that on its own. Hence I bet he flogged it.
Would be no good for this instalation unless modified anyway would it?
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coozer
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| posted on 18/1/09 at 09:42 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by contaminated
Total bargain if you ask me - even if it ends up being a coffee table! I've come across a couple of websites dedicated to tuning that engine in
the Escort recently, so when I'm on my other laptop I'll post them. Standard 2.0l cams are a good start. Presumably your water pump spins
the right way as well, so no need for a mod there?
1.8's have the correct direction water pump and the lightest flywheel so even just for them its the way to go. If a cheap 2L comes along they
can swapped on no problem.
Don't forget, the 1.8 CVH sump fits, is steel and can be chopped no problem.
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paul the 6th
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| posted on 18/1/09 at 09:45 PM |
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quote:
Don't forget, the 1.8 CVH sump fits, is steel and can be chopped no problem.
great news i'll have a look for sumps on ebay when I get chance
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paul the 6th
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| posted on 18/1/09 at 09:46 PM |
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oh and thanks to everyone for all the tips & links so far - VERY VERY helpful bookmarked them all, finishing all my chores and then going to
bed with the laptop for a good reading sesh since the missus is at her rents and I'm working away for the next two nights after tonight = zetec
bedtime stories
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Schrodinger
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| posted on 18/1/09 at 10:01 PM |
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You amy find this site useful as well
http://www.zetec-cat.co.uk/
Keith
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paul the 6th
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| posted on 18/1/09 at 11:28 PM |
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excellent advice & websites from everyone especially zetec-cat.co.uk and zetec inside... is paul from zetec-cat a member on here by any chance?
Looking forward to picking up the engine and identifying exactly which unit I've got now then I can assess what needs doing and which bits
are missing.
One last thing I forgot to ask - I'm planning on bringing the engine home in the back of my 55 plate mondeo - would it be more than a 2 man job
lifting the engine and gear box into the back of my car? I'm not 100% on how much the engine will weigh and how this will influence the loading
and unloading side of things
Also, I'm planning on propping it up with packing so it sits on the bottom of the block (since it doesn't appear to have a sump). Is there
any chance of nackering anything if I do this?
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skodaman
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| posted on 19/1/09 at 01:00 AM |
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Carried a crossflow and gearbox in back of my Mondeo. Doesn't do much for the handling on fast roundabouts and watch for speed bumps. Should
manage to lift it with two people ok. Putting back seat down and sliding engine as far forward as possible should help handling.
Skodaman
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contaminated
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| posted on 19/1/09 at 01:58 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by paul the 6th
is paul from zetec-cat a member on here by any chance?
Dunno, but he is here:
www.tigerownersclub.co.uk
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D Beddows
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| posted on 19/1/09 at 09:02 AM |
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It'll be a two man job to lift it - you can just about manage a crossflow on your own but not a zetec (unless you enter Britains strongest man
as a sideline ) I'd lay it down if I were you - less to fall over and as mentioned take it easy as it will make the front end a bit light
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edspurrier
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| posted on 19/1/09 at 09:27 AM |
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Tiger had a couple of short alloy sumps going cheap, used I think. Have a look at their website.
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dhutch
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| posted on 19/1/09 at 10:23 AM |
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The listing says "...and all other ancilleries" so i would be after the sump if i where you.
- Ask why it was removed in the photo, but expect it to be back on or available apon collection.
Daniel
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zetec
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| posted on 19/1/09 at 10:23 AM |
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Did you mention how old the engine is? You really want a earlier one if you are going to try for a cat free SVA test, not sure what the rules are for
the new test.
I would fit the engine in the car before taking the head off. Have a quick check of the one of the big end bearings, if all OK replace it using new
stretch bolts. Get the engine in the car as I always say the best way to check an engines condition is to hear it running and then check using a
compression tester. It is very easy to cause problems by taking it apart when it might be all OK, and even if you decide to strip the head off it is
just as easy to do it in the car than on a bench. Also as said dont get too into a rebuild as there are plenty of cheap engines in perfect working
order for less than the cost of a gasket set. I have just checked a 125,000 engine and found there to be almost no wear on the bearings or bores, I
did fined the valves need regrind but suspect they still seated OK. The tricky part for most people with modern engines is the ECU/fueling, the moving
parts are mostly very reliable.
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Schrodinger
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| posted on 19/1/09 at 12:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by paul the 6th
excellent advice & websites from everyone especially zetec-cat.co.uk and zetec inside... is paul from zetec-cat a member on here by any chance?
Yup he's on here as ptoyne, although I have not seen him post much recently.
Regarding storing the engine I had a couple of brackets from Scholar which bolted to the engine mounts and kept the bottom off the floor,
unfortunately I don't seem to have a photo, but they were a simple inverted T of 25mm square tube with a 75mmish long cross tab with 2 holes
that mated with the bottom engine mount holes, they should be easy to knock up.
IIRC I gave them to somebody on this list.
[Edited on 19/1/09 by Schrodinger]
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paul the 6th
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| posted on 19/1/09 at 08:14 PM |
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heyup guys, it does come with the sump - however they accidentally dropped the engine and cracked it when removing from the escort.
He said they were planning on dropping it into a mk1 fiesta and tuning it up, but then decided to sack the idea because they couldn't be
bothered with all the work to make it fit. It was "running sweet as" when they pulled it from the car, so it must be in decent nick
just a bit peeved at not being able to squeeze it in the van while I'm working down here but never mind eh. 8 hour roadtrip for me at the
weekend. Should be able to manage the 480miles on one tank full (so 26 quid for engine and £50 for fuel aint that bad).
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 25/1/09 at 04:17 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by D Beddows
...when you can buy brand new ones for £700!
Where? I'd rather a new engine than one with 90k+ miles on it!
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